Apostle peter while speaking to a large gathering in jerusalem, told them.
acts 3:19-21
  "20And that He may send [to you] the Christ (the Messiah), who before was designated and appointed for you--even Jesus,    21Whom heaven must receive [and retain] until the time for the complete restoration of all that God spoke by the mouth of all His holy prophets for ages past [from the most ancient time in the memory of man]". (Amplified bible)
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20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.(NASB)
Here apostle peter telling that jesus will stay in heaven untill the complete restoration of all god spoken through  holy prophets.
when will the restoration be completed? regarding this watchtower 2002 june 15 page 10 said,
"His appointed time for direct action to rid the earth of all oppression and injustice lies in the near future. But Jehovah actually began the process of restoration at Pentecost 33 C.E. How? By then starting to gather “the things in the heavens,†those who will rule with Christ in the heavens. These included the Ephesian Christians. (Ephesians 2:4-7) More recently, in our time, Jehovah has been gathering “the things on the earth.†(Ephesians 1:10) Through a global preaching campaign, he is making known to all nations the good news about his Kingdom government in the hands of Jesus Christ. Those who respond are even now being gathered into a place of spiritual protection and healing. (John 10:16) Soon, on a cleansed paradise earth, they will experience complete freedom from all injustice and suffering.—2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 11:18."
in brief, after sealing of 144000 and marking of the greatcrowd for survival will be the time god restore everything completely. above peters words says that till that point of time jesus must stay in heaven.
then jehovah will tell him,    psalms 110:2 The Lord will send forth from Zion the scepter of Your strength; rule, then, in the midst of Your foes.{AMP}
if heaven retains jesus untill everything restored how could he come back to earth in 1914? is he started his rule before restoration?
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I welcome your comments.
Jesus' return at "the time of complete restoration" is the beginning of that restoration, and it doesn't happen in an instant. This is because not all things are restored until Christ hands the kingdom back to his Father at the end of the millenium (see 1 Corinthians 15).
Therefore the "time of restoration" is probably referring to the "age to come" that Jesus spoke about, or the thousand year reign of the saints and Christ, and it must begin with his coming.
Apostle peter while speaking to a large gathering in jerusalem, told them.
acts 3:19-21
"20And that He may send [to you] the Christ (the Messiah), who before was designated and appointed for you--even Jesus, 21Whom heaven must receive [and retain] until the time for the complete restoration of all that God spoke by the mouth of all His holy prophets for ages past [from the most ancient time in the memory of man]". (Amplified bible)
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20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.(NASB)
Here apostle peter telling that jesus will stay in heaven untill the complete restoration of all god spoken through holy prophets.
when will the restoration be completed? regarding this watchtower 2002 june 15 page 10 said,
"His appointed time for direct action to rid the earth of all oppression and injustice lies in the near future. But Jehovah actually began the process of restoration at Pentecost 33 C.E. How? By then starting to gather “the things in the heavens,†those who will rule with Christ in the heavens. These included the Ephesian Christians. (Ephesians 2:4-7) More recently, in our time, Jehovah has been gathering “the things on the earth.†(Ephesians 1:10) Through a global preaching campaign, he is making known to all nations the good news about his Kingdom government in the hands of Jesus Christ. Those who respond are even now being gathered into a place of spiritual protection and healing. (John 10:16) Soon, on a cleansed paradise earth, they will experience complete freedom from all injustice and suffering.—2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 11:18."
in brief, after sealing of 144000 and marking of the greatcrowd for survival will be the time god restore everything completely. above peters words says that till that point of time jesus must stay in heaven.
then jehovah will tell him, psalms 110:2 The Lord will send forth from Zion the scepter of Your strength; rule, then, in the midst of Your foes.{AMP}
if heaven retains jesus untill everything restored how could he come back to earth in 1914? is he started his rule before restoration?
I welcome your comments.
Quoting :if heaven retains jesus untill everything restored how could he come back to earth in 1914? is he started his rule before restoration?
The answer to your question is quite obvious to the mind of those awake ones who have done their homework....Just think about this, the body of men govenors justify their lording it over their fellow slaves by their adding to the foundation of Jesus original teachings and going beyond what is written. They have done this claiming that Jesus inspected them in 1918 and found them faithful and appointed them over all his belongings. Therefore they insist to have the right to govern and control Jesus sheep through thought control (a trick of satan) .....just stand up and start thinking for yourselves, no one knows the day or the hour of his arrival...not even the angels . Even they are waiting on Jehovah to announce Jesus arrival here, and have not run ahead of God. How arrogant these men are! Another reason we know this cannot be true is the bible says, Everyone would know..because all eyes would see. They think they can already start ruling on their thrones, lifting themselves above all others, even making the brothers take an oath to them...How? The second baptismal question was changed from the original one...."On the basis of the faith in God and his provision for salvationn, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND AS HE REVEALS IT TO YOU THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND THROUGH THE BIBLE UNDER THE ENLIGHTENING POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT? (this is the oath I said yes to... now see how this has changed...and they slyly inserted a new one.
Do you understand that your dedication and baptisim indentify you AS ONE OF JEHOVAHS WITNESSES IN ASSOCIATION WITH GOD'S SPIRIT DIRECTED ORGANIZATION?
NOW SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED!
NOTICE*....The HOLY SPIRIT was dropped and an ORGANIZATION OF MEN REPLACED IT..NOW...YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT AN ORGANIZATION OF MEN/SATANS WORLDS WISDOM...AND ENTITY IMPOSTER HAS TAKEN PLACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. YOU MUST NOW GIVE YOUR ALLEGIENCE TO AN ORGANIZATION CLAIMING TO BE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF JEHOVAH HIMSELF! They cant take something that important from him.. His holy spirit is meant for us..the holy spirit with-in us, (HIS TEMPLE), and not ever meant to give away to an organization of men, they are stealing it from you and you are blindly giving it to satan. The ORGINIZATION OF MEN ARENT YOUR SALVATION..JESUS IS. THEY HAVE MADE THEMSELVE THE GOLDEN CALF, just in another deceiving way! Only those called and elect will see through satans deception.. They stayed awake..and they are following Jesus command to wake up his sheep and help restore his pure worship. They wont allow men to cheat them with persuasive arguments to follow them, even though Jesus is absent in the flesh, they know that Jesus is still very much with them in spirit and smiling upon them because he sees their hearts and their firmness of their faith in him alone. They remain well rooted and stabilized in their faith in him and are keeping very alert to empty deceptions of mens thoughts that have left the foundation of Jesus original teachings.
Never give your Kingdom of God with-in your hearts over to men, and replace it for a mens organization.. Dont let their organization sit in Gods temple and take over your holy spirit with-in. This is the secret his faithful ones have to get out before it is too late. Once you see through them..and make a stand..do you think thats why they kick you out of their synogogues, you are one of those ones they are afraid of ...because their towers will fall like a domino effect. WILL THE REAL FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE..PLEASE STAND UP AND AWAKE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE?
your sister who loves you,
New Heart
Well done, sister New Heart.
Perhaps the faithful and discreet slave will be found OUTSIDE of the organization when Jesus really does arrive?
Isn't it very interesting how Jesus said:Â Â "WHO REALLY IS the faithful steward"?
There's no room for the faithful and discreet slave inside the Watchtower, he would have to expose 1914, and the NGO, and the pedophiles, and then the Watchtower would implode.
Agape
Lou
The Coming Of Jehovah
(This article is written by George Ibasfalean, in the January and February March 2007 Prophecy Forum booklet. To me it points to Jehovah as the one who with Jesus as His right arm is the one that is putting all of Jesus enemies as a footstool before Jesus second coming with Jesus' Bride, the church. I believe Jesus will only come here again when he will have His church with him. Anyway here is a portion of the article. Any thoughts are appreciated.) jc
Psalm 110:1 "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." It is God that makes the enemies of Christ His footstool. Heb 10:12, "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God." Jesus Christ stood, and for 3-1/2 years carried out the requirements of the Messiah fulfilling the Ransom, then sat down at the right hand of God. John 1:26, "...there standeth one among you whom you know not." Heb 10:13, "From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool."
Christians generall look for the second coming of Christ and the kingdom of Christ, but have little interest in the coming of Jehovah. If a Christian accepts the concept of the trinity and believe that God and Jesus are the same, there is no conflict; but to those that view Jesus Christ as the only begotten son of God (John 3:16-18); it then raises questions, as there are many scriptures that show the coming, but there are also many scriptures that show the coming of Jehovah.
Psa. 96:13-Jehovah comes to judge the world.
Dan. 2:44-The God of heaven sets up a kingdom.
Acts 15:14-16- God visited the Gentiles to take out a people for His name; "After this I will return."
Hosea 6:3-Jehovah shall come to us as the latter rain.
How Do We Equate These Terms?
Vengeance belongs to Jehovah-Deut. 32:35.
Psa. 94:1, "O Jehovah God, to whom vengeance belongs...show Thyself."
1 Thess. 4:6-The LORD is the avenger.
Rev. 15:1-The seven last plagues, for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Zeph. 1:14, 15- "The great day of Jehovah is near..."
While these scriptures define the day of God's wrath as being God's wrath, God's vengeance, many scriptures show it is God's strong right arm that does the executing of the events.
1 Cor. 8:6-There is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto Him, one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things. All things are of the Father through the Son.
Psalm 98:1, "His right hand and His holy arm has gotten him the victory."
Psa 63:5-Mine own arm brought salvation.
Isa. 59:16-His arm brought salvation.
Exod. 15:6 -God's right arm.
There are many verses that show that God's right hand fulfills His will.
(The question that comes to my mind then is: Who is present (Presense) at this time then, wouldn't it be Jehovah working through Jesus to put all of Jesus' enemies as a footstool in preparation for Jesus second coming? Or can someone be present without actually having arrived? The doctrine of the "Presense is confusing to me?:confused:
While these scriptures define the day of God's wrath as being God's wrath, God's vengeance, many scriptures show it is God's strong right arm that does the executing of the events.
Kind of gets back to the concept of "oneness," doesn't it? As humans it might be a little hard for us to conceptualize a spiritual oneness. I know I can't. Here, we can be "of the same mind" and arbitrarily define ourselves as "one." "Of one accord" to us means a shared singleness of purpose. At the same time and in imperfection, we find comfort in the fact that we occupy time and space and that if things change and we become un-oned, we'll still be alright. Oneness can be a temporary thing in this realm.
But who's to say that's the case in the spirit realm? Are spirit beings individuals in the same sense of the word we understand? The rest of christendom believes the Father, Son & Holy Spirit are three beings making up one Godhead...and then a variety of opinions describing the three components and how they interact. JWs, on the other hand, understand the nomenclature of "god" and that the title can describe most anything. They see Father and holy spirit in the same being, YHWH; but the Son they see as separate and distinct.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand the nature of heavenly relationships...and that the ideas of perfection and immortality are foreign to me. Without time and space, I have no reference points...no benchmarks with which to try and measure God. My suspicion is that the Father and Son are more "One" than we, with JW history, imagine. Without getting into historical babylonish triune gods [after all, YHWH's people were here before Baal's people (where did worshippers of false gods get their ideas?) so the order of events may be a little muddled], Jehovah God IS "one God"...but what does one really mean without time and space and all the other stuff imperfects use to measure things? I am thinking that oneness is a more serious concept in the spirit realm, perhaps even being part of its fabric. Here, we pride ourselves on our differences. Maybe without pride, there are no differences the way we understand differences.
gus
Maybe without pride, there are no differences the way we understand differences.
gus
Well Gus, to me, our Father in heaven loves differences. In His creation everything is unique. There is not even flowers that are exactly the same, in form or color, and there are so many different foods and tastes.
To me, it would be so boring for everything to be the same, I love differences. It is important, I think, to recognize the differences between our Father and His Son Jesus because of what they individually have done in their love for mankind:
“God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.†(John 3:16-17). His was not a ministry of condemnation, but into salvation. “We have seen and do testify that the Father hath sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on the doctrine of the "Presense"? Only if you choose to share ofcourse :detective:
Blessings
Apostle peter while speaking to a large gathering in jerusalem, told them.
acts 3:19-21
"20And that He may send [to you] the Christ (the Messiah), who before was designated and appointed for you--even Jesus, 21Whom heaven must receive [and retain] until the time for the complete restoration of all that God spoke by the mouth of all His holy prophets for ages past [from the most ancient time in the memory of man]". (Amplified bible)
]
20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.(NASB)
Here apostle peter telling that jesus will stay in heaven untill the complete restoration of all god spoken through holy prophets.
when will the restoration be completed? regarding this watchtower 2002 june 15 page 10 said,
"His appointed time for direct action to rid the earth of all oppression and injustice lies in the near future. But Jehovah actually began the process of restoration at Pentecost 33 C.E. How? By then starting to gather “the things in the heavens,†those who will rule with Christ in the heavens. These included the Ephesian Christians. (Ephesians 2:4-7) More recently, in our time, Jehovah has been gathering “the things on the earth.†(Ephesians 1:10) Through a global preaching campaign, he is making known to all nations the good news about his Kingdom government in the hands of Jesus Christ. Those who respond are even now being gathered into a place of spiritual protection and healing. (John 10:16) Soon, on a cleansed paradise earth, they will experience complete freedom from all injustice and suffering.—2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 11:18."
in brief, after sealing of 144000 and marking of the greatcrowd for survival will be the time god restore everything completely. above peters words says that till that point of time jesus must stay in heaven.
then jehovah will tell him, psalms 110:2 The Lord will send forth from Zion the scepter of Your strength; rule, then, in the midst of Your foes.{AMP}
if heaven retains jesus untill everything restored how could he come back to earth in 1914? is he started his rule before restoration?
I welcome your comments.
This is the way that I see things transpiring also. Matt. 22:44, Psalms 110.
So, like you have mentioned, it doesn't seem as though Jesus is present to me. It is more like our Father who has been allowing the wheat to grow along with the tares since Pentacost, and that is bringing about making all enemies a footstool for Jesus to return with His Bride. (perhaps our Father is doing this through Jesus, but how can Jesus stay in heaven and still be doing the work for our Father:confused:
What do you think?:)
Blessings