04-20-2011, 04:31 AM
04-20-2011, 10:29 AM
Hi Jayme
PDF download of Memorial outline at the link below.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtow...-available
Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
PDF download of Memorial outline at the link below.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtow...-available
Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
04-20-2011, 01:05 PM
Hi Jayme
This topic/link might also help, imo:
Memorial Observance
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...6#pid90246
:coffeeread:
This topic/link might also help, imo:
Memorial Observance
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...6#pid90246
:coffeeread:
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
Thanks so much brothers!!
You guys are great! :thumbup:
blessings,
Jayme
You guys are great! :thumbup:
blessings,
Jayme
04-21-2011, 05:39 AM
The reason I was wanting to look at it was because the brother that gave the memorial talk this year said some things I hadn't heard in years past. I was wondering if they changed the outline.
He said that the 144K are declared righteous as a gift now but the rest must gain salvation thru obediance. He was talking about how sin entered the world thru Adam's disobediance and that we can only gain release from sin thru obediance. If we are obediant then we have the prospect of life in the new world and at the end of the 1000 yrs we will then also be declared righteous by Jesus blood.
Man, it was hard to sit thru that!!!
He said that the 144K are declared righteous as a gift now but the rest must gain salvation thru obediance. He was talking about how sin entered the world thru Adam's disobediance and that we can only gain release from sin thru obediance. If we are obediant then we have the prospect of life in the new world and at the end of the 1000 yrs we will then also be declared righteous by Jesus blood.
Man, it was hard to sit thru that!!!
04-21-2011, 06:48 AM
jayme Wrote:
The reason I was wanting to look at it was because the brother that gave the memorial talk this year said some things I hadn't heard in years past. I was wondering if they changed the outline.
He said that the 144K are declared righteous as a gift now but the rest must gain salvation thru obediance. He was talking about how sin entered the world thru Adam's disobediance and that we can only gain release from sin thru obediance. If we are obediant then we have the prospect of life in the new world and at the end of the 1000 yrs we will then also be declared righteous by Jesus blood.
Man, it was hard to sit thru that!!!
He said that the 144K are declared righteous as a gift now but the rest must gain salvation thru obediance. He was talking about how sin entered the world thru Adam's disobediance and that we can only gain release from sin thru obediance. If we are obediant then we have the prospect of life in the new world and at the end of the 1000 yrs we will then also be declared righteous by Jesus blood.
Man, it was hard to sit thru that!!!
I looked up the pdf download and found it full of rubbish.
The talk by seamus was wonderful but the WT outline is rotten.
Here is some of the WT outline.
Song No. 8 and Opening Prayer
PATTERN FOR “LORD’S EVENING MEAL” WAS SET BY JESUS (3 min.)
The first Lord’s Evening Meal was observed Nisan 14, 33 C.E.
Jesus and his 11 faithful apostles were present on that occasion
Jesus knew that he would soon give his life as a perfect sacrifice
He arranged for his sacrifice to be remembered in a simple ceremony [Read Luke 22:19, 20]
Jesus’ death is commemorated once each year; this serves as a reminder of loving provision
If we read Luke 22 we realise in the very next verse (21) showed that Judas was still there.
Oops they missed that verse!
Then in chapter 22 the argument developed not just into the identity of the betrayer but who would be the most supreme in the kingdom. At this point Jesus steps in and says you are the ones that have stayed with me and makes a promise... you will be with me in my kingdom.
During that argument Judas snuck out.
This to me seems a sensible timeline.
Judas ate the bread and wine, but did not stick with Jesus and was not therefore part of the promise that Jesus made to the ones that were still with him.