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Hello Mavos
LOL :rofl: You are to funny sometimes:rofl:
JWStruggle,
I can see why they would prefer that term.
Don't want the rank and file thinking they are obeying a "Society".
Saying "The Slave" is also very misleading.
The thousands of partakers around the world who are supposedly "The Slave" actually don't get to say very much.
Why don't they use something better to identify who really are the ones doing the; "saying".
The bunch of men in the writing department who put together stuff for the Governing Body says this.
Better yet, why don't they just come right out and say that Jesus Christ says this.
Unless of course what they said in 1959 is not true, in which case I understand why they would need to replace it with something else.
The organization says = what Jesus Christ says.
In Christ
abe
Wolfie,
Yep, its all about men.
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Didn't mention Jesus Christs name even once:
Acts 4:12
Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
In Christ
abe
I looked up Acts 1:8:
Act 1:8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de'a and Sa·mar'i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
Fair enough verse isn't it! What verse do they ignore? This one:
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
The slave has so much insight that they stick the tail in the donkeys bum! How can they miss what Jesus himself said about powerful works as evidence of approval?
Its clear that no powerful works is evidence enough of Gods approval. Yet that is what they are saying in that they talk about "timely, nutritious spiritual food" and works based evidence of God approval.
What Jesus said before verse 22 describers the WT exactly:
Mat 7:15 "Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep's covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them........
Hello all
So i have a question? If they are The Slave where is FAITHFUL and DISCREET at?
I looked up Acts 1:8:
Act 1:8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de'a and Sa·mar'i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
Fair enough verse isn't it! What verse do they ignore? This one:
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
The slave has so much insight that they stick the tail in the donkeys bum! How can they miss what Jesus himself said about powerful works as evidence of approval?
Its clear that no powerful works is evidence enough of Gods approval. Yet that is what they are saying in that they talk about "timely, nutritious spiritual food" and works based evidence of God approval.
What Jesus said before verse 22 describers the WT exactly:
Mat 7:15 "Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep's covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them........
nice comments, brian. and as for acts 1:8, it is of course jesus speaking and saying his disciples will be witnesses of whom? him! jesus! not watchtower witnesses. not even witnesses of his father, as israel had been.
i'm just sayin' ... :whistle:
That reminds me of another scripture:
Its fascinating because in the bible the terms Christians and Christian are used ever after. The first use is the above, then after that one several times in Acts and after in the later books of the New Testament.
This what strongs says:
So your totally biblically grounded in saying that it was not Jehovah they were named after, but Jesus. Its interesting because JWs always use this verse in Isaiah to support the use of the name Jehovah`s witnesses:
Its notable that the terms Jehovah and Witnesses are not used together as a name.
Then JWs use this verse to back up their argument for the Christian era.
Of course this verse is also talking about the spirit that was going to be poured out and Acts also says this about that event:
Now again it says nothing about Jehovah or Witnesses as a name. Although Act 1:8 does talk about being witnesses as opposed to being called Witnesses. Also Acts 2:17-21 does mention the name of the Lord, and being saved by calling on it. So is this name that of Jehovah? Could it justify the JW position? No because of this next verse:
So it is the name Jehovah Jesus called on to be saved, but we are Witnesses of Jesus resurrection, and we call on Jesus name to be saved, although im sure both count in the term Lord. Of course the word in the Greek is Kurios which means Lord or supreme in authority. So we call on the name of the Lord, which is also applied to Jesus as well as Jehovah, hence this verse:
Of course it must be added to this point that Jesus called on Gods name on the cross, hence Acts 2:21, but Stephen called on Jesus` name in an almost exact replay of Christ's last moments:
So it gets interesting, (not even mentioning that Stephen prayed to Jesus, even though JWs don't accept that) but doesn't provide support at all to the JW view of the name `Jehovah` witnesses`, because it was Jesus that Christians were eye witnesses of. Just to hit home this point we read:
So the JW use of Isaiah and Acts doesn't support their view, however Isaiah and Acts do provide support for the name Christian. In Isaiah we read:
Is this talking about the time of Jesus to come and his followers? It seems so because a few verse later it says:
Also this verse in Isaiah says similar and is definitely about the time of Christ that was to come:
So what is this new name? Well as discussed its not `Jehovah s Witnesses` but refers to that verse in Acts mentioned earlier:
There is some debate over the translation of this verse. Some translations use the term `divine providence` or similar indicating that the new name Christian was by divine direction. It turns out that most do not because the underlying Greek term chrematizo can also simply mean, “to call/name†without implying divine influence although it normally is used with the divine part. However more translations translate chrematizo without the divine bit than do, but interestingly the NWT does. Rather fascinating because they shoot themselves in the foot, because in so translating it that way they give even more evidence, if any be needed, that the term Christian is the prophesied name for the followers of Christ in Isaiah, Acts and possibly Revelation, depending on its dating and interpretation.
All this probably, perhaps explains why there is no evidence that the name Jehovah was ever included in the New Testament despite what JWs say, because it was never there, for the reason that Jesus Christ and Christian were the new term to be used.
Sorry isomam this post went on a bit long. I got carried away. :)
Satan the devil.