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Jesus and death & resurrection was news 2,000 years ago- and still inspiring to those with faith...buuuuut "He's RISEN!" "He died for YOU!" and "Accept Him as..." are NOT the 'gospel', the Good News Jesus SAID would be preached.


Soooooooo- those condeming us, please Enlighten us- what IS the 'Gospel'?
Hey, Jay-dubya!

For starters, I try to keep my comments directed at the GB of the wtbts, not it's membership. No need to feign condemnation or giddy anticipation, lol.

This is something I'd posted previously on this thread > http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=6463

I hope you find it's not personal conjecture nor apologetics, but 'reasoning from the Scriptures'. :read::)


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SWORDOFJAH said:The GB take the lead in the worldwide preching of the good news.

Really then, what is the Biblical good news?

Luke 2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.

Acts 13:32 "And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, 33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.' 34 "As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: 'I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.' 35 "Therefore He also says in another Psalm, 'YOU WILL NOT ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.' 36 "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers and underwent decay; 37 but He whom God raised did not undergo decay. 38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Good news: God has fulfilled His promise to raise up a savior, Christ Jesus the Messiah, the only one through whom forgiveness of sins is given!

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me, To the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forevermore. Amen.
Perversion of the Gospel
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

What would a "distortion" or "perversion" of the gospel of Christ be?

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*** w67 12/15 p. 753 par. 1 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***
What vital thing has now been added to the good news of the kingdom of God that Jesus Christ and his zealous apostles used to preach nineteen hundred years ago? This, namely, the birth of God's Messianic kingdom in the heavens at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.

God's Messianic kingdom was indeed born in the heavens at the due time in 1914 and that "this good news of the kingdom" means the fresh, brand-new information that tells of God's established kingdom.

Yup, that'd be it, an added agenda. So what kind of test can we apply to see if the good news of the gospel is truly being preached and not merely men's words?

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“If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.‘New light’ never extinguished older ‘light,’ but adds to it.... So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.”— Zion’s Watch Tower, February 1881, p. 3



It can't get much clearer than that. Crystal. :thumbup:


Mark 1:14 Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."


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Great Question...

What is the Gospel? A short answer: God, in love and mercy, sent His only Son, Jesus, who lived a perfect life, and died on the cross, was buried and raised again, to fulfill the law we had broken, to pay its penalty, to bring salvation to all who, by His grace, turn and trust in Him. Those who are born again, repent of their sins and trust in Christ, thereby entering into a new life: an eternal fellowship with God.

But let me expand and elaborate on that definition. The good news, or Gospel, is that the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him. But we sinned and cut ourselves off from Him. In His great love, God sent His Son, Jesus the Christ (Messiah), who lived a perfect life, and died on the cross, thus fulfilling the law Himself and taking on Himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in Him. He rose again from the dead, showing us that God accepted His sacrifice and that God's wrath against us had been exhausted. He now calls us to repent of our sins and to trust in Christ alone for forgiveness. Salvation inaugurates a whole-life, life-long, community-based discipleship, it does not simply mean our being spared from death and judgment. By the working of the Spirit we progress in holiness, gradually becoming more and more like our Savior. We enjoy a new and eternal life and relationship with God, through Christ, right now, and then forever.

Matt

theMadJW Wrote:
Jesus and death & resurrection was news 2,000 years ago- and still inspiring to those with faith...buuuuut "He's RISEN!" "He died for YOU!" and "Accept Him as..." are NOT the 'gospel', the Good News Jesus SAID would be preached.


Soooooooo- those condeming us, please Enlighten us- what IS the 'Gospel'?



"Those condeming us"? :shocked::huh::D


It seems that condemnation is a two-way street, dont ya think, bro Mad-ness? ;)

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theMadJW Wrote:
Jesus and death & resurrection was news 2,000 years ago- and still inspiring to those with faith...buuuuut "He's RISEN!" "He died for YOU!" and "Accept Him as..." are NOT the 'gospel', the Good News Jesus SAID would be preached.


Soooooooo- those condeming us, please Enlighten us- what IS the 'Gospel'?



"Those condeming us"? :shocked::huh::D


It seems that condemnation is a two-way street, dont ya think, bro Mad-ness? ;)


...and us is who?

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Soooooooo- those condeming us, please Enlighten us- what IS the 'Gospel'?




:D (whadaya think, gogh?)

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Soooooooo- those condeming us, please Enlighten us- what IS the 'Gospel'?




:D (whadaya think, gogh?)


YeahRez! Very goghish!

I used to sing that to my children when they were small, strumming my guitar. :coolmusic:

My son still has trouble hearing me sometimes because he's listening to his mp3 player....modern beans in his ears! :listenmusic:

Gogh and I had a musical connection way back in the early 70' when we played in the WT orchestra. We just didn't know of it till we compared notes here on PC. Small world!

rez:P

Mavos Wrote:
Great Question...

What is the Gospel? A short answer: God, in love and mercy, sent His only Son, Jesus, who lived a perfect life, and died on the cross, was buried and raised again, to fulfill the law we had broken, to pay its penalty, to bring salvation to all who, by His grace, turn and trust in Him. Those who are born again, repent of their sins and trust in Christ, thereby entering into a new life: an eternal fellowship with God.

But let me expand and elaborate on that definition. The good news, or Gospel, is that the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him. But we sinned and cut ourselves off from Him. In His great love, God sent His Son, Jesus the Christ (Messiah), who lived a perfect life, and died on the cross, thus fulfilling the law Himself and taking on Himself the punishment for the sins of all those who would ever turn and trust in Him. He rose again from the dead, showing us that God accepted His sacrifice and that God's wrath against us had been exhausted. He now calls us to repent of our sins and to trust in Christ alone for forgiveness. Salvation inaugurates a whole-life, life-long, community-based discipleship, it does not simply mean our being spared from death and judgment. By the working of the Spirit we progress in holiness, gradually becoming more and more like our Savior. We enjoy a new and eternal life and relationship with God, through Christ, right now, and then forever.

Matt

I enjoyed reading your words so much and I agree with them!

the one and only God, who is holy, made us in His image to know Him and I will add, if I may - "and to love Him"! Much of Jesus' teaching was to show the world his Father's love, and in doing so he refuted some popular religious views of God as one who 'reaps what he didn't sow'. The Christ perfectly embodied God's great love for us. :love: Christ Jesus, Yahushuah, Son of God, our glorious Messiah and Savior - it's all about him --- and that's the GOOD NEWS!

Acts 4:10 "... let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

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Hey, what happened to you, MJW - are you still around?

I'm unclear as to what you mean here >

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"Accept Him as..."

... what came to mind was "accept him as Lord" ? or "accept him into your heart" ? I've heard those terms overused by TV evangelists, yet that is the truth of it - like Jesus said that evil or good things 'proceed from the heart'. But both our hearts and minds are changed by a 'sure salvation'(1 Peter 1), which only comes from Christ knowing us. He does become our Lord(Acts 2:36) and true Shepherd.(John 10:27)

But then, most religions make a parade out of what should be a very personal experience between you and God. :clown: And then they want to take all the credit. God's gift to you comes through no one else but Christ Jesus!

Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life." John 6:68


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Jer. 33: 9

And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

Revelation 21:5 (King James Version)

5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


John 1:17 (King James Version)

17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

You have to realize that everything you have ever known to be true is now obsolete, wiped out, clean slate, new. You have to be willing to die to everything you once thought to be true, never looking back, surrendering to God and allowing God to mold truth in you through the Holy Spirit.

You see by doing this, you reveal to God that you are willing to hear Him, so that He can wipe away the scales or cloudy mirror from your eyes and that we may obtain a full restoration by Him through His grace alone (a spiritual resurrection from dead works), and that anyone can attain this inward dying to be alive in Christ, it is meant for all, not just 144,000.

1 corinthians 15:36

36.Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:


God wishes to set everyone free from the chains that have held them in spiritual darkness, whether human or fallen angelicals. Everyone can be brought back to a full restitution through the death of his Son . There is no one special class or religion on earth, but all of His creation is special to Him, and He wants out of His unconditional love to restore all, if only they would come to Him alone and Just ask God personally to feed them truth. You see, the whole race on earth have been held in apostasy...everyone!

Jesus died to restore all those who come to Him freely. Only through Jesus can we be cleansed, He is the gateway to the Father. Are we willing to come to Him?

Mark 1:40 And a leper came to Jesus, beseeching Him and falling on his knees before Him, and saying, "If You are willing, You can make me clean."

Moved with compassion, Jesus reached out and touched him. "I am willing," he said. "Be healed!"

Mark 1:42 Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cleansed.

If we are willing to do our part and leave it all behind, Jesus will do His part willingly. If we wish to be made anew, we have to come to Him and enter in through the door..because Jesus is the door.

Revelation 21:5 (King James Version)

5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are True and Faithful.

This is the Everlasting Gospel, and has always been from old. Who can even comprehend or fathom what the immense love of God may bring forth?
Love,
New Heart
Mavos, thank you enjoyed what you said.:ok:

"..and that God's wrath against us had been exhausted."
As a Jw sister, I somehow felt that Jehovah was angry with me most of the time. I know now that he isn't as we have been reconciled through Christ.

Just a note to MadJW too. I felt no anger at my brothers and sisters, but agitation at the blokes up top as Willa pointed out in her post. I think that many of them feel condemned still and work hard in the preaching/door to door to gain Jehovah's favour.


Tessa
Hi Tessa :love:

and that is so true what you say. I remember this very controversial overseer who came through our circuit one time and he turned the whole area upside down asking us to consider the kind of blood guilt we were responsible for and who was in charge of the preaching work--us or the angels. He discussed things like guard dogs and how to get past them and tightly secured homes where you couldn't even ring the door bell....it was stressful at the time....the good ole days you know ;) but the message ended up being the same--do all you can all the time or be punished for the death of those who didn't hear your message ...it was alot of pressure for everyone... :love:
Wolfie,

Yes, I do recall similar on bloodguilt, also the marking work to coincide with a book released at the time... Ezekiel I think it was. Man with the marking pen.

It was a heavy load to carry wasn't it? Christ has relieved us and given the freedom we needed.

Hope you are well in Maine.:giverose:

Love,
Tessa
I felt this heavy load, especially at assembly times. Where we lived in Sitka Alaska, you would have to save money all year for your trip to Anchorage, because the only way there was by plane. Then the hotels. One year we took the ferry to Haines AK for 8 hours, and then rented a van and drove to Anchorge which took another 8 hours. We had to drive through parts of Canada. It was beautiful and all, but boy was I tired at the assembly.

The trip home was the same, except we did'nt make it to the Canadian border on time, and had to sleep all night in the van till it reopened. We were bit up by mosquitoes . When we finally got home, my kids all caught a terrible virus from the ferry and my daughter 5 ended up in the hospital for 3 days and nearly died. I felt a heavy load on my back. I was becomming so depressed.

Once you come to Jesus, you feel so free. You are no longer stuck in a mental box being a slave to your own thoughts and thoughts of others who try to do your thinking for you, a releasing from the binds of society. The organization can no longer control your mind. Religious belief systems have no hold on you any longer . Your mind and hearts become set free to see things as God wants you to see, not as others want you to see.

The more free you feel, you find that you no longer wish to debate on lower topics, spending all your time there, because there is something much higher than what we once knew. You begin to see all sides, and begin to understand where everyone is coming from, and you no longer want to be right all the time, because you understand the binds that tie them to their thoughts, and this no longer fits what you are. Its called becomming the true you. The child you have forgotten you were, free.

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New Heart
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