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I was told that all Greek Lexicons/Dictionaries are Trinitarian, that is to say made by Trinitarians. Is there any truth to this? Do we have any Biblical Greek studies made by Non Trinitarians?

Just wonder why....

Let's face it: The Trinity is the view of the vast majority of the Church and has been for over 1600 years. Aside from the Watchtower, Mormonism, Oneness Pentacostals, and Unitarian Universalists, there are really no other significant non-Trinitarian group. Also, the view of most of the church is that these groups are cults anyway. Many of these groups are not interested in serious bible study, because serious bible study would lead them away from their traditions. Biblical study is really championed by Protestants (mostly) because it's the Protestants who believe in Sola Scriptura, that only the Bible is our final and infalible rule of faith.

So in short, simply because non-Trinitarianism is largly seen as discredited and a minority view.

Hope that helps,

Matt

'Trinitarian', to groups like JW's and many XJW's, who generally are a subset of Jehovah's witnesses, is a term of almost obscenity.
I remember many years ago telling our Christian neighbour...a believer in the trinity.... that the trinity was a pagan doctrine. I was just parroting what the WTS had told me.

We now go to the same church as our neighbour.

The trinity is a very complex doctrine, some find it helps them come to know God and appreciate his love in Christ Jesus. As a doctrine, when I studied it, I found the witnesses to have made a dreadful parody of its theology.


Unlike the other extreme, Socinianism, which seems from my perspective to minimize how much the Father loves us.

We do not need unitarianism or trinitarianism to know God the Father and his beloved Son. God is far too transcendent to be understood by our puny minds.

The Bible teaching is clear to me, there is one true God whose name is Jehovah. Trinity is not part of the Bible. And everytime I say this, I am not parroting the WTS, I am just saying what I understand from reading the Bible.

I don't think our board is ready for another Trinity debate. We have beat this horse senseless. Please read all of my posts in the Trinity thread in the controversy room.

You asked why most scholars are Trinitarian, and I answer that most Christians are Trinitrian. That's just a plain fact and not an argument for or against the Trinity.

So do not let this descend into another pointless debate. The fact there are a multiplicity of views represented on this board is quite an amazing thing. Despite this, there are some things which we've been over and no immediately beneficial fruit will come from reviving this topic. Please let it be....


Matt

Yeah Beau, and let's not forget, it's quite hard to resist a doctrine when it's enforced by sword, lions, burning at the stake, other assorted methods of torture, crusades and inquisitions!

Peace,
Jimmy C.

Oh, yea, like THAT is going on today.

Hi Anja, Thanks for the youtube clip. It fails to mention another passage in Scripture that tells us who spoke those words in Is 6.

Acts 28

25They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet:


26" 'Go to this people and say,
"You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
27For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'


BB:happyheart::heartbeat::happyheart:

Matthew 15:3.

Stop it Prodigal Son.

This is a topic about the reason for Trinitarian Scholars, not a debate about the Trinity nor the place for insinuations of heresy or false doctrine.

Matt

Actually, if we don't try to make spiritual things into physical things, I don't think it's false doctrine at all. The Council of Nicea stole it from the metaphysical trinity of the Sumerians/Babylonians. The "tradition" that Jesus spoke of is religious dogma.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...050AA4XAH8

Peace,
Jimmy C.

I refuse to enter into a debate with you.

If you are truly open minded and want to see the validity of the Trinity, read the Trinity thread again.

Matt

Mavos,

Yes, trinitarianism has been a widely held Christian tradition for hundreds of years.

If you step back and look at what people call Christianity as a whole then trinitarianism seems to have the consensus.

Measured against this, the non-trinity Christians hold a very, very small piece of a corner of Christianity as a whole.

The world we live in loves to have consensus.

The prophetic scriptures indicate however, that it is a very, very small minority who will understand.

It is the majority, the consensus, who do not understand.


Isaiah 6:9
And he went on to say: “Go, and you must say to this people, ‘Hear again and again, O men, but do not understand; and see again and again, but do not get any knowledge.’ 10 Make the heart of this people unreceptive, and make their very ears unresponsive, and paste their very eyes together, that they may not see with their eyes and with their ears they may not hear, and that their own heart may not understand and that they may not actually turn back and get healing for themselves.”
11 At this I said: “How long, O Jehovah?” Then he said: “Until the cities actually crash in ruins, to be without an inhabitant, and the houses be without earthling man, and the ground itself is ruined into a desolation; 12 and Jehovah actually removes earthling men far away, and the deserted condition does become very extensive in the midst of the land. 13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”


In the end it is a very, very small minority who do understand.

The majority, the consensus, disappears!


In Christ

abe

So not only does Isaiah, according to you, speak about JW's but Trintarians too? :shocked:

You are such the prophet Abe. :read:

Dont quit your day job though.