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ITPT, You are assuming much more then I am writing. Of Course Genesis is the inspired history of Adam etc. Are you saying that history cannot be written down in allegorical form? Also, we are only discussing the first 3 chapters, after that, it does seem to be more literal. No where did I say that Adam himself was a metaphor.

I'm enjoying the exchange of thought as well. :)

As for the gravity situation, I'm thinking you are limiting God's abilities. Right now the sun holds the earth in place, but there was nothing to stop God from having used some other gravitational force before creating the sun. An entity who can create the universe certainly wouldn't be stymied by such a thing. God made the sun "stand still" in the sky for Joshua without interrupting the Earth's gravitational force, so we know that God has an alternative source of gravity up His sleeve.
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Hi,
If it is true, this universe got it physics during the first stages of the big bang, why would the Creator have to be continually suspending the laws he created?

Some, who were once Jehovah's witnesses, are perfectly happy with the age of the universe but still believe, like the witnesses, each day was 7,000 years long. How probable is it that JW's got this chronology correct based on their track record of other chronology?

The likely hood of something being true is probably inversely proportional to the times the Creator allegedly said, "Whoops" and stepped in and suspended the laws of physics and produced multiple miracles.

Why did the Creator allow mass extinctions in earth's history. The Permian extinction wiped out almost all life on earth...if there was ever a case for a miracle it was during the Permian event?

I often wonder what the Thylacine and the Wolf thought when they met each other on the Ark? They probably both thought, "This is a joke" or "The devil must have creative powers" :) :) ;)

regards
Derek

Great disscussion!

I havnt had a chance to read all the comments, but I really enjoyed your comment here e-magine!

Also TD's point about the court.There are very possibly things that have or will happen in the heavens that we as yet are not privy to.

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Hi John,
I think you misunderstood what I was driving at, no problem, my fault.

100,000's of years of ice cores in Antarctica, more than 6,000 years of dendrochronology of the bristle-cone pine and similar evidence from long lived and dead 'shells' of sea creatures, are the forensic markers 'under the nails' of an earth history of more than 6,000 years.

regards
Derek

Hi Derek,

You can't hog all the blame, I demand my share, too!

So does this mean you and I are, if not on the same page, then, perhaps within the same chapter???

Kindasortof?

John

John, that must be the epitome of 'Christian wit'. I laughed at the word play and loved the hand reaching out.

Hi John,
I like self effacing humour and suspect you do too.

Yep, we are in the same chapter, even if we are not Hells Angels!
atb
Derek

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Yep, we are in the same chapter, even if we are not Hells Angels!
atb
Derek

Derek, been there, done that! X-1%er!

This divided the council—the Pharisees against the Sadducees—for the Sadducees say there is no resurrection or angels or spirits, but the Pharisees believe in all of these. So there was a great uproar. Some of the teachers of religious law who were Pharisees jumped up and began to argue forcefully. “We see nothing wrong with him,” they shouted. “Perhaps a spirit or an angel spoke to him.” As the conflict grew more violent, the commander was afraid they would tear Paul apart. So he ordered his soldiers to go and rescue him by force and take him back to the fortress. (Acts 23:7-10)