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Brian,

You are a wrong ‘un.

I think you must be even worse than Malkah.

I think you will have to give up British citizenship; otherwise you will misrepresent decent people.

What can be done with someone so bad?

We must put you in a controversy room within the Controversy Room, perhaps.

We must lock you up in a cyberspace Tarturus until the Day of Reckoning.

Even worse, somebody must do a study with you to nurse you back to health.

Somebody with VERY conservative views!

You’re so bad, Brian, even I’m going to pray for you.

Your brother Brendan. :friends:

Time for a time out guys. I also fail to see how Malkah should in any way be brought into this,

smoldering wick I'm not sure what you mean. Was that addressed to me?

No, I didn’t direct this to anyone, Brian. I made a general comment on the difference between our hearts being sincerely deluded or deliberately allowing them to be deceived. It was primarily directed toward the GB or any establishment that presumes to interpret scripture based on a deceived heart. Jesus targeted not the person of the scribes and Pharisees but their deep-seated beliefs and values, since these were death-dealing, leading him to be "thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts." (Mark 3:5)

How can that be SW Jesus called them 'sons of vipers' He called their persons identifying their humanity that resembled viscious animals.


Now I am far from reading hearts. But if I know Christ—and I think I do as well as any man—I think that he would say a few things over how much we impeach scripture rather than letting scripture impeach us.

SW forgive me you almost sound like still coming from the Watchtower Society, how can you claim to know Christ, even Paul or the apostles did not make such claims.


The GB have fallen into this trap. It is as James 1:26 describes: “If any man seems to himself to be a formal worshiper and yet does not bridle his tongue (in reviling others or scripture), but goes on deceiving his own heart, this man’s form of worship is futile.”

SW when you sermonaize as you do you condenm yourself that is Paul says in Romans chapter 1 and 2.


When I speak I also reprove myself, for I too am a man who would like to make my sin less sinful. But I also know within myself that my comfort is not in making sin less sinful by reading into my Bible that which excuses sin, and while this may at first be delusional on my part, as my grasp of scripture grows, so does my deceptive heart realize that it cannot twist scripture to avoid being reproved by it.

So now, if you feel I am talking specifically to you Brian, then perhaps that is your own heart striking you with the same guilt I feel as I impeach myself.

If the shoe fits, we wear it. No one can judge you but the spirit of God that searches your heart. Being reproved in our heart takes us out of our comfort zone. But there is greater discomfort in remaining there, knowing our hearts have been deceived.

Affection,

sw

No, I didn’t direct this to anyone, Brian. I made a general comment on the difference between our hearts being sincerely deluded or deliberately allowing them to be deceived. It was primarily directed toward the GB or any establishment that presumes to interpret scripture based on a deceived heart. Jesus targeted not the person of the scribes and Pharisees but their deep-seated beliefs and values, since these were death-dealing, leading him to be "thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts." (Mark 3:5)

Now I am far from reading hearts. But if I know Christ—and I think I do as well as any man—I think that he would say a few things over how much we impeach scripture rather than letting scripture impeach us. The GB have fallen into this trap. It is as James 1:26 describes: “If any man seems to himself to be a formal worshiper and yet does not bridle his tongue (in reviling others or scripture), but goes on deceiving his own heart, this man’s form of worship is futile.”

When I speak I also reprove myself, for I too am a man who would like to make my sin less sinful. But I also know within myself that my comfort is not in making sin less sinful by reading into my Bible that which excuses sin, and while this may at first be delusional on my part, as my grasp of scripture grows, so does my deceptive heart realize that it cannot twist scripture to avoid being reproved by it.

So now, if you feel I am talking specifically to you Brian, then perhaps that is your own heart striking you with the same guilt I feel as I impeach myself. If the shoe fits, we wear it. No one can judge you but the spirit of God that searches your heart. Being reproved in our heart takes us out of our comfort zone. But there is greater discomfort in remaining there, knowing our hearts have been deceived.

Affection,

sw

Brendan,
Who would you consider to be ' someone with very conservative views'' here on this board? I've yet to come across someone like that here.:dontknow: Perhaps you were thinking of someone else on another forum, right?:thinking:
Agape,
Grateful :giverose:

SW I can't help it but you repulse me

As the elders and circuit overseers of the Society did, why don't you choose your words more carefully, why this mock-humility why this egotism:dontknow:

You have completely lost me now. My heart is clear because I don`t go to the JW meetings. So why should it bother me?

No, I didn’t direct this to anyone, Brian. I made a general comment on the difference between our hearts being sincerely deluded or deliberately allowing them to be deceived. It was primarily directed toward the GB or any establishment that presumes to interpret scripture based on a deceived heart. Jesus targeted not the person of the scribes and Pharisees but their deep-seated beliefs and values, since these were death-dealing, leading him to be "thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts." (Mark 3:5)

Now I am far from reading hearts. But if I know Christ—and I think I do as well as any man—I think that he would say a few things over how much we impeach scripture rather than letting scripture impeach us. The GB have fallen into this trap. It is as James 1:26 describes: “If any man seems to himself to be a formal worshiper and yet does not bridle his tongue (in reviling others or scripture), but goes on deceiving his own heart, this man’s form of worship is futile.”

When I speak I also reprove myself, for I too am a man who would like to make my sin less sinful. But I also know within myself that my comfort is not in making sin less sinful by reading into my Bible that which excuses sin, and while this may at first be delusional on my part, as my grasp of scripture grows, so does my deceptive heart realize that it cannot twist scripture to avoid being reproved by it.

So now, if you feel I am talking specifically to you Brian, then perhaps that is your own heart striking you with the same guilt I feel as I impeach myself. If the shoe fits, we wear it. No one can judge you but the spirit of God that searches your heart. Being reproved in our heart takes us out of our comfort zone. But there is greater discomfort in remaining there, knowing our hearts have been deceived.

Affection,

sw