Kind of good advice. Of course people have their own views but Christians are very broken vessels sexually because whenever its mentioned its normally to condemn it. So to me there are two types of Christians as a result of an unbalanced view of sex they received from their church. One is akin to anorexia but with sex. Its all dirty and unholy no matter what, leaving such ones disabled and unable to express proper intimacy with their spouse, or the ability to enjoy it without shame. The other extreme is akin to bulimia in that the suppressed instincts periodically explode in episodes of binging, but with sex in an extremely unhealthy way. Again self respect intimacy, innocence in the love making department, without guilt are the casualty's within the relationship. Allot of this is because the current popular Christian view is not challenged.
That said of course couples are to make up their own decisions between themselves. Not talking about it doesn't seem to be a good idea though when only one side seems to get presented.
Hi Brian, :clap:
I know what you are saying bro, and I do think there can be a lot of healing done on this subject as there are a lot of negative unconscious emotions lurking in the collective consciousness - I personally am VERY liberal with my thinking and viewpoints (as you may have noticed) but sexual subjects wont go down well on forums such as this - especially when those who are feeling uneasy about it are sisters...granted, not all sisters will be feeling uneasy, but I can tell you that ive seen reactions before when other posters started threads thinking it was ok for discussion. And it wasnt. This needs to be respected.
For me, this topic isnt really controversial, but for others, it is...it really is.
And I can tell you now, NO amount of reasoning or rebuttal to the contrary, on forums such as this, will change the views of those who do not take well to the subject matter. :detective:
For many, some things are better left unsaid -- or at least, some things are better said when Rapport and Trust are at least @ 99%. :hug:
Cheers bro! :friends::friends::friends:
Maybe Brian and Mavos would do well to see that people do have different views on subjects like these, and the reasons why people do are extremely personal and private.
Sometimes pushing an issue isnt always the best idea. :defensive:
I see what you are saying. And you reminded me of what Paul said along with the verse I quoted from Romans 14,
The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God.
(Romans 14:22 ESV)
SO perhaps this is an issue that should be kept private.
I can in part see your point. Its funny because I can see the wisdom of suppressing certain subjects and the folly of that in human lives, and the same with the opposite extreme. I'm positive sexual affairs in marriage increase because of this kind of topic being avoided. Then the very same people who condemned all the way condemn again when the marriage falls apart, and more become stumbled out and away from the truth then ever were by avoiding the subject in the first place.
Perhaps now that its in the controversy room, those who cant handle the topic will avoid clicking on the topic. The same goes for reading the song of Solomon.
Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
Ecc 3:2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Ecc 3:4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
Ecc 3:5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
Ecc 3:6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
Ecc 3:7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
Ecc 3:8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
I see what you are saying. And you reminded me of what Paul said along with the verse I quoted from Romans 14,
The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God.
(Romans 14:22 ESV)
SO perhaps this is an issue that should be kept private.
Matt - you are like a freakin encyclopedia bro! Its awesome!...one of the many wonderful gifts God has given you....thanks for having the eyes to "see"....:friends::friends::friends:
Brian, you drop poo where ever you go. It surprises me you are tolerated here. Oral sex is a homo practice made to look normal. Shut this mess of a conversation down. Sister Lowlee :shocked:
I can in part see your point. Its funny because I can see the wisdom of suppressing certain subjects and the folly of that in human lives, and the same with the opposite extreme. I'm positive sexual affairs in marriage increase because of this kind of topic being avoided. Then the very same people who condemned all the way condemn again when the marriage falls apart, and more become stumbled out and away from the truth then ever were by avoiding the subject in the first place.
Perhaps now that its in the controversy room, those who cant handle the topic will avoid clicking on the topic. The same goes for reading the song of Solomon.
Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
Ecc 3:2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Ecc 3:4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
Ecc 3:5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
Ecc 3:6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
Ecc 3:7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
Ecc 3:8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
Brian, I get what you are saying - I truly do. And I agree with you on many points.
The thing is, this subject isnt like a discussion on the Trinity where those who arent Trinitarians dont have an obligation to post or to read it -- there are people who have issues related to the subject that underlies this topic, and there is a lot of hurt and saddness there that this subject will touch on. And its not going to be positive, in any way, shape or form.
I know you mean well, and I know why you want to discuss this -- I want that too -- but this place is NOT the place to do it.
You will seem like a real bastard if you continue with it. (you know me bro, so I hope you take it in the spirit I mean this in :friends:)
Cheers brother! :friends::friends::friends:
This subject does not worry me, but I understand that it bothers others.
I will temporarily shut it down until I have spoken to other moderators.
The subject is not out of bounds, but since it makes people on the board feel uncomfortable, it is postponed for now.
Thanks Mavos and Seraphim for the learning curve.
Vicky, you and I must have been moving this to the boiler room at the same time. The topic should be closed.
Rez:detective: