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Here is some good advice on commentaries.

In all sciences, the most able professors are they who have thoroughly mastered the texts. A man, to be a good lawyer, should have every text of the law at his fingers’ ends; but in our time, the attention is applied rather to glosses and commentaries. When I was young, I read the Bible over and over and over again, and was so perfectly acquainted with it, that I could, in an instant, have pointed to any verse that might have been mentioned. I then read the commentators, but I soon threw them aside, for I found therein many things my conscience could not approve, as being contrary to the sacred text. `Tis always better to see with one’s own eyes than with those of other people. - Martin Luther, Table Talk XXXIII

He who has made himself master of the principles and text of the word runs little risk of committing errors. A theologian should be thoroughly in possession of the basis and source of faith—that is to say, the Holy Scriptures. Armed with this knowledge it was that I confounded and silenced all my adversaries; for they seek not to fathom and understand the Scriptures; they run them over negligently and drowsily; they speak, they write, they teach, according to the suggestion of their heedless imaginations. My counsel is, that we draw water from the true source and fountain, that is, that we diligently search the Scriptures. He who wholly possesses the text of the Bible, is a consummate divine. One single verse, one sentence of the text, is of far more instruction than a whole host of glosses and commentaries, which are neither strongly penetrating nor armor of proof. As, when I have that text before me of St Paul: “All the creatures of God are good, if they be received with thanksgiving,” this text shows, that what God has made is good. Now eating, drinking, marrying, etc., are of God’s making, therefore they are good. Yet the glosses of the primitive fathers are against this text: for Bernard, Basil, Jerome, and others, have written to far other purpose. But I prefer the text to them all, though, in popedom, the glosses were deemed of higher value than the bright and clear text. - Martin Luther, Table Talk V

How does Martin Luther suggest we understand scripture?

We ought not to criticize, explain, or judge the Scriptures by our mere reason, but diligently, with prayer, meditate thereon, and seek their meaning. The devil and temptations also afford us occasion to learn and understand the Scriptures, by experience and practice. Without these we should never understand them, however diligently we read and listened to them. The Holy Spirit must here be our only master and tutor; and let youth have no shame to learn of that preceptor. When I find myself assailed by temptation, I forthwith lay hold of some text of the Bible, which Jesus extends to me; as this: that he died for me, whence I derive infinite comfort. - Martin Luther, Table Talk IV

I tend to agree with Dr. Luther. What do you think? Do you think he is correct? If Luther thought this way about Commentaries, why did he write two? Is there a use for commentaries that Luther here is not addressing? Do you think he's just talking about going to commentaries first?
Howdy Mavos

Thank you for presenting this topic.

Proverbs 15:22...

"Where there is no counsel, purposes are disappointed; But in the multitude of counsellors they are established."

Communication can be of benefit.


The "listening" part of communication is advised:

Proverbs 8:33...

Hear instruction, and be wise, And refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me, Watching daily at my gates, Waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life, And shall obtain favor of Jehovah."

Christian love,

.02,

gogh

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Yes I agree Mavos, the principles are simple.

First become as thoroughly acquainted as possible with the scripture and any relevant scripture. In this I include trying to get back to the original language.
Then I go to commentaries to garner other peoples thoughts, but no matter what high faluting language they use or how many PhD.s they have, I still assume that what they are saying is just their opinion. Sometimes you hit on a goldmine of information, and sometimes it is the ramblings of a pompous, but very damp squib.

Scripture as close to the original as possible is always first base.

Mavos Wrote:
I tend to agree with Dr. Luther. What do you think? Do you think he is correct? If Luther thought this way about Commentaries, why did he write two? Is there a use for commentaries that Luther here is not addressing? Do you think he's just talking about going to commentaries first?


Hi Matt :wave: - I woke up this morning thinking of this thread so I thought I'd better respond!

I heartily agree with Luther that the experience of reading the Scriptures for oneself is far better than relying on another's interpretation of those same Scriptures - 'seeing is believing'. He was, of course, speaking of the Catholic church's "glosses and commentaries" which I might compare to the WT's extensive volumes of 'explanations'. I will go even further in comparison to say it's for the same reason that both publish(ed) exhaustive reams of so-called 'authoratative references', which is to bolster their own 'take' on the Scriptures and to form their own following of people who were ignorant of the right teachings of the Bible and thus easily led to accept what the writers of the commentaries intended. It is telling, isn't it, that both religions have in fact told their followers that without the help of the religion's commentaries one would not be able to discern Bible truth from the very pages of the Bible itself? That one lie effectively makes impotent the Holy Spirit, of whom the Bible says "teaches us all things". That is the inherent danger of relying totally on any religion's commentaries.

I assume Luther wrote his commentaries primarily to counter-act the effects of the Catholic teachings he considered to be wrong, such as: "As, when I have that text before me of St Paul: “All the creatures of God are good, if they be received with thanksgiving,” this text shows, that what God has made is good. Now eating, drinking, marrying, etc., are of God’s making, therefore they are good. Yet the glosses of the primitive fathers are against this text: for Bernard, Basil, Jerome, and others, have written to far other purpose. But I prefer the text to them all, though, in popedom, the glosses were deemed of higher value than the bright and clear text." -and- "I then read the commentators, but I soon threw them aside, for I found therein many things my conscience could not approve, as being contrary to the sacred text."

So too today, some former Witnesses who've retained their love for Bible truth have countered the WT's teachings with commentaries of their own. These may give us some insight into false teachings and bolster our faith in God and the Bible, but the true inspiration is found in God's Word alone, and it alone can either build on or refute any individual's "mere reason" or "heedless imaginations". This is the crux of Luther's comments towards the commentaries of his day, I think - that to take another's knowledge is not really "making the truth your own"(to borrow a phrase, lol!), and that commentaries should never supercede the need for the original text, or God forbid, replace the Holy Scripture's "bright and clear text". With his opinion I wholly agree! :read:

:coffeeread: Thank you for bringing this to our attention - good stuff!

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This is all very nice Matt, about everyone being free to reach their own interpretations, but when an interpretation falls outside the box of Orthodox thinking (i.e., that there might be Divinity within), it's coming from the Talking Snake in the Enchanted Garden, which is nothing like MY garden. All I have going on is a battle against tomato-killing fungii.

Prodigal Son Wrote:
This is all very nice Matt, about everyone being free to reach their own interpretations, but when an interpretation falls outside the box of Orthodox thinking (i.e., that there might be Divinity within), it's coming from the Talking Snake in the Enchanted Garden, which is nothing like MY garden. All I have going on is a battle against tomato-killing fungii.


What Luther is talking about is not that everyone is free to reach their own interpretation. He is talking about people who instead of letting the bible speak for itself, rely on commentaries instead. We've all experienced this. When talking to a Witness about a passage of scripture, instead of dealing with the text, they say, "Well this WT article says this", or "This WT Book says this," or "The Society teaches this". They refuse to actually let the Bible speak. It's not that the "interpretation is outside Orthodox thinking", it's that it's not what the Bible says. Simple as that. You can believe in Eastern paganism all you want, it has no place in scripture.

Matt

Mavos Wrote:
You can believe in Eastern paganism all you want, it has no place in scripture.


Then explain my signature scrip.

Or John 14:12 for that matter. No one's dared to tackle that one no matter how many times I post it.

By the way, what are commentaries if not interpretations?

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