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Hi all ... :hibye::love:

I was hoping to start a conversation in relation to something posted by a new member ... wanda ... and thought a new topic might narrow down some of her questions ...

Here are the questions posed to me that I thought we might be able to help with ... I did briefly answer some in the 'br. jaracz passed away thread' but didn't really want to hijack it ... :giverose:

Do you believe in, that Jack the Ripper will be resurrected, unless he had repent and confessed his sins, before he died, like David and Paul did? 2Samuel12:13.

Do you belive in, that a person who has passed away and hasn't the name written in the book of life, in any case will be resurrected? Revelation 21:27.

Do you belive in that the unrighteous shall be inherit in the kingdom of God, if they continue their wrongdoings, untill they die or judgement day will arrive? 1Corinthians 6:9-11.

Do you belive in that Judas Iscariot, which was one of the twelve and baptized, will be resurrected at the judgement day? Matthew 27:3-8.

How do you understand what Paul wrote in Hebrew 10:26-31 and will those persons in anycase be resurrected or be inherit in the Kingdom at judgement day?

So, I got to thinking that perhaps a place to 'start' might be to think of is ...

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE of the resurrection ...

and in answering this it might help get us started in answering here above questions ... :redface:

Anyway, I hope to get back with some answers later, but hopfully some of you dear ones will get the drop on me first ... ;):P:siskiss::whistle:

Luv as always, BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Hi BR :thumbup:

That is a great question. I think the overall purpose of the resurrection is to give all people a second chance, in an environment where they have no excuses any more.

As the apostle Paul said: "I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)

In my opinion, God has been progressively educating mankind about Himself. Some 4,000 years ago He revealed Himself to Abraham, and made some promises. 2,000 years later He revealed his Son, who spoke in great detail about the Father.

It's been another 2,000 years now, and we have more information about God than ever before. (The Bible, in its entirety, has only really been generally available to mankind for the last 500 years or so).

To me, the resurrection is the ultimate form of justice... as the "victim" is given a second opportunity to live, and the "criminal" is given the opportunity to see what they have done, and to put their actions into a bigger perspective.

I like the Scripture in John 17:3.

A good translation tells us that the purpose of everlasting life is so that we can have the opportunity to get to know God and the Son whom He sent forth.

Nice one Vicky!! Agreed! :giverose::giverose:

Hi all ... :hibye:

Here is an answer that wanda gave that I thought I would put up here so that you could see her reasoning and give some thoughts on ... I will too but need to think on it a wee bit before replying ...

Here is what she said ...

Thanks for your answer and since it is up to God and Jesus Christ as judge, then the judgement will be fully righteous, no doubt about this question :giverose:

It seems in the examples with all in the Bible that it was a question whether they repent or not, in due time, in question of being approved.

I believe the resurrection is for those who have been righteous in the eyes of God, before they die, whether they have had the law or not and after the new covenant, have been found righteous after they have confess and repent, even that we all sin everyday but the Bible define what is acceptable or not for God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Will there be any logical reason for, that a merciful God, via Jesus Christ should resurrect somebody which haven't their names written in the book of life, which can be seen in, that there will be someone who will be resurrected to life and someone to death, of those who haven't had the law and been given a possibility to take a stand, maybe died as a child, where after they will be granted with a chance to improve, whether they will follow God or Satan, after he has been released for a while. :huh:

Pls. be assured about, that it isn't up to any human to decide or judge anybody, unless we like to be judged with the same judgement we make against others, but we are not talking about humans judgement but how we shall understand Biblical principles, in an attempt not to fool ourselves and risk that our names will be deleted from the Book of life, where many religious leaders today preach that everything is acceptable for God or Jesus Christ, against the Bible and better knowledge, but do they know God ? :cry: Titus 1:13-16.

What it means to love God is to keep his commandments and know what he demands of us, together with Christ as a ransom and mediator, but even he said that we should follow him and what does it means, when we are mentally well and have knowledge ? John 14:15-21. ;)

If we are deliberately responsible for that somebody die, directly or indirectly, or act in a way God doesn't love, by molest children or protect them who have done it, do you belive in, that we still will have our names written in the book of life? Matthew 25:37-40.

Just asking without any judgement;)

This could prove to be a very interestink thread ... ;):siskiss::whistle:

Luv as always BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Hi there

It is indeed an interesting verse in John 17:3, but it rises some questions or not ?

Do you believe in, that everybody which will be dead before the end of the great tribulation will be resurrected, in spite of what they have comitted of sin, without confessing and repenting their sins, like David or Paul through the new covernant, with respect to Romans 6:7 ?

What should then be the reason for confessing and repenting our sins and get baptized in the name of God, the Son and the Holy Spirit, if everybody who have lived, after the good news went out to the gentiles, will be resurrected ?

Haven't the humanity had any change to get to learn God, within the last approximate 6000 years, from Abel to the now living on earth and until the great tribulation, maybe more correct Armageddon ?

Or do you mean that God was a lier when he said to Adam and Eve, you shall die, Genesis 3:3, that the soul will continue to live after the human body has passed away ? Ecclesiastes 9:10.

Don't we die and what will then be the reason for we shall confess and repent in connection with our baptizing, if you believe that everybody will be resurrected ?

There will for sure be a new chance for those who have been unable to take stand in the universal battle, but do you belive that those who have rejected God also will be resurrected ?

What does it means to get to learn God and His son, which he has sent, can we do whatever we like to do and accept anything that God doesn't love and still be convienced that we or all will be resurrected ? James 2:19.

Just to verify, we are not talking about those who Paul mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and further in revelation 20:4-6, which already have their names written in the book of life, when they died ;)

I am asking in an attempt to understand what you mean in regards of John 17:3 :redface:

Greetings Wanadoo69

If we acknowledge and agree that our Lord died for all, how can we question or suggest that he did not die for all?

2Corinthians 5:14...

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died;
and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again."

Does not (our Lord) "dieing for all", mean that all will be resurrected (with an opportunity to be reconciled to God by means of our Lord Jesus)?

Christian love,

gogh

All will get a resurrection but they will be judged on how they lived their life while they were alive. All will have to answer for their sins.

Hi Yannis

Re: "All will have to answer for their sins."

Might the timing of this of (a majority) be at the end of a thousand years?

(Rev,20:6-13)

yet, I find Isaiah interesting:

Isaiah 65:20...

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed.
And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them."

It seems some might die before a thousand years are complete.

Christian love,

gogh

I would imagine whenever the last day is.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."

Thanks and Greetings to you too :hibye:

I believe that all Christians and Christendom believe in, that Christ died for us, even Satan and the demons are aware of it, but will this be sufficient ?

Do you believe in, that even a murder or one who commits pornaia and hasn't confessed and repent, like david or Paul, will be resurrected ?

If your answer will be yes under all conditions, may I kindly ask you how we shall understand Romans 6:8 and Hebrew 10:26-31 ?

Do you also believe in that a person who has been reconciled but still commits murder, pornaia and or practice imorality, under every condition will be resurrected, due to Christ died for all ?

The question is, what does it mean to you: If we been dead with Christ ?

Hi Wanadoo69

Has anyone other than our Lord lived a sinless life? Is it appropriate to compare degrees in sinfulness, when all fall short?

1 John 1:10..."If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us."

1 John 5:16...

"If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request.  All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death."

Only our Master has been given authority to determine who sins against holy Spirit...

"And everyone that says a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but he that blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven it." (Luke 12:10)

encouragement for all...

1 John 4:10..."The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins."

Christian love,

gogh

Let me just say, the resurrection isnt a "reward" per se. Everyone will be resurrected to be judged. To those found worthy they recieve their reward, everlasting life. To those found wanting, everlasting punishment.

Good evening all ...

I can't help but wonder about this scripture in light of WHO will receive a resurrection ...

John 5:28,29 ...

New Living Translation

28Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son, 29and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

The Greek word here for 'evil' is ...

G5337 φαῦλος

phaulos fow'-los

Apparently a primary word; “foul” or “flawy”, that is, (figuratively) wicked: - evil.

So doesn't Jesus' words here clearly state that the resurrection is NOT just for those who do 'good' things or repent in this life ... but ALSO for those who DON'T ...? :dontknow:

Wouldn't this hope show just HOW DEEPLY MERCIFUL our God and his Son really are TOWARD ALL of us sinful humans who have inherited such a sinful state ...?

Did the evil doer beside our Lord 'REPENT' of his sins? Did he just not ask to be remembered when Jesus got to his kingdom? And did not our Lord give him the comforting hope that he would?

Our Lord and his Father say they WANT MERCY from 'us' ... and to me their providing an opportunity for sinners both dead and gone and those yet to be, are to be given the opportunity to be shown such mercy shows us the loving extent they will go to and so should we.

Indeed for some individuals who deliberately and wilfully commit the 'unforgivable sin' ... the sinning against the holy spirit, would seem to show there is no love in their in any shape way or form in their hearts and so they will thus be judged by that ...

Indeed how scary a thing it is to fall into the hands of God in this manner!:shocked:

To me, focusing on who WON'T get a resurrection may be counterproductive in how may view others now ... might we not inadvertantly judge someone as deserving of such an outcome because of what we preceive as being 'willful sinners' and thus right them off even though their hearts may yet prove to come to be with our God?

I thank my Father that he hasn't left such a burden to me!! :pray:

Just some thoughts ...

luv BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Greetings to all :hibye:

What will be the idea or reason for, that a mercifull and loving God will resurrect a person to eternal punishment, if the person already is dead, unless we believe in a hell, with eternal punishment ?

What will be the idea and reason for, that e.g a murder, who hasn't confess and repent, will be resurrected and what does it means for the one who confess and the other one who didn't, crusified with Christ?

Hebrews 6:4-8
4For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.

Why will there be a resurrection to life and a resurrection to death, within the 1000 years reign of Christ, if all humans will be resurrected and get a so called second chance and again will be tested by Satan. Where does the Bible give support for such an idea ?

Jesus Christ said that he would send a helper, the Holy Spirit why ?

It was because it should remind us, keeping all things Christ had teached and if we break what he teached, will we then sin against the Holy Spirit, if we e.g commit murder or are liberally responsible for that anybody die, fornication, molest and cover up or even support these persons, which commit such things ?

I agree that it will be more positive to say that all will be resurrected, in spite of what each individual has committed. Isn't it what the religious leaders teach in many communions, where people are lead to belive that everything a person commit is fully acceptable for God, due to the ransom of Christ.

The question is, aren't we fooling ourselves to belive in such ideas ?

In a human perspective, Christ said it is easier to forgive than withhold a person in the sin, but there are acts which leads to life and acts which leads to death, in the eyes of God and Christ, otherwise the evilness and wrongdoings will continue, since there are persons that refuse to stop their behaviour :cry:

Just asking not judging and it isn't a question of pinning out such persons among us but merely to be wiser, what God really expect and demand of us, being able to be a Christian person :redface: