06-13-2010, 04:43 PM
Ieremias Wrote:
Does this mean that "oppressive wolves" would actually have the authority and power over the flock ? :dontknow:
Only as those who are willing to give up their Christian freedom, for manmade bondage
06-13-2010, 04:43 PM
06-13-2010, 04:45 PM
Some antonyms for the word "oppressive" are: calm, gentle, relieving
Another suitable antonym for the word "oppressive" could be,imo, refreshing.
I like this refreshing tune:
Eighteen Yellow Roses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-5ZUpE8PMw
:drinking:
Another suitable antonym for the word "oppressive" could be,imo, refreshing.
I like this refreshing tune:
Eighteen Yellow Roses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-5ZUpE8PMw
:drinking:
06-13-2010, 05:25 PM
RR144 Wrote:
Ieremias Wrote:
Does this mean that "oppressive wolves" would actually have the authority and power over the flock ? :dontknow:
Only as those who are willing to give up their Christian freedom, for manmade bondage
RR144,
If the wolves have power and authority over the flock then they really do have power and authority over the flock.
It is not the sheep who choose who has this power and authority.
Neither is it the wolves who have the authority by their own choice.
The Apostles were chosen by Jesus Christ after he prayed to his father all night.
The disciples did not choose the Apostles.
Judas Iscariot was given the power and authority.
His authority was not manmade.
He did turn out to be a son of destruction.
End time scriptures do say that a "son of destruction" would be in evidence immediately before Jesus Christ returns.
Asking the question: "Does this mean that "oppressive wolves" would actually have the authority and power over the flock ?"
Is extremely valid and profound.
If a sheep chooses not to follow them does not mean the wolves no longer have the power and authority.
Even though the sheep's decision is a righteous one.
When the sheep make that decision they really do become in a scattered condition.
Which brings dishonor to those in power and authority, the shepherds.
The sheep cannot remove the power and authority from them even if they wanted to.
Only the one who gave them the power and authority can do that.
I believe this will happen when Jesus Christ returns:
and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction
2nd Thessalonians 2
Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.
Until that happens, the sheep are scattered in the wilderness.
In Christ
abe
06-13-2010, 05:42 PM
Totaldismay Wrote:
op·pres·sive (-prsv)
adj.
1. Difficult to bear; burdensome: oppressive laws.
2. Exercising power arbitrarily and often unjustly; tyrannical.
3. Weighing heavily on the senses or spirit: oppressive weather.
first question can a sheep be oppresive to another sheep?
Second can a wolf be oppresive to another wolf?
can a sheep rule over a wolf?
adj.
1. Difficult to bear; burdensome: oppressive laws.
2. Exercising power arbitrarily and often unjustly; tyrannical.
3. Weighing heavily on the senses or spirit: oppressive weather.
first question can a sheep be oppresive to another sheep?
Second can a wolf be oppresive to another wolf?
can a sheep rule over a wolf?
Total Dismay,
Tried to answer your post in the above also.
Yes, a sheep could be oppressive to another sheep, you probably already know the scripture.
In Christ
abe
06-13-2010, 06:09 PM
...what is often perceived as water...can be mirage...
a quote:
"...tonight we pray for water
cool water
and away up there He'll
hear our prayer
and show us where
there's water
cool clear water."
COOL WATER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taW5WBAlE...re=related
:surfsup:
a quote:
"...tonight we pray for water
cool water
and away up there He'll
hear our prayer
and show us where
there's water
cool clear water."
COOL WATER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taW5WBAlE...re=related
:surfsup:
06-13-2010, 06:12 PM
anjaandreas Wrote:
High Abe ,:hibye:
I know you believe some parts in Revelation are fulfilled by the in and outs of the watchtower Organisation ,but i do not .
In fact what you say about revelation has nothing to do with Jehovah witness ,what you tell others on this forum come,s directly from your own thoughts but not from the Holy spirit.
Sorry Abe :giverose:,i do not like to hurt your feelings because i know how much you love God ,and i can see how strong you believe about all you say ,and this is making me feel even more sad.:(
I know you believe some parts in Revelation are fulfilled by the in and outs of the watchtower Organisation ,but i do not .
In fact what you say about revelation has nothing to do with Jehovah witness ,what you tell others on this forum come,s directly from your own thoughts but not from the Holy spirit.
Sorry Abe :giverose:,i do not like to hurt your feelings because i know how much you love God ,and i can see how strong you believe about all you say ,and this is making me feel even more sad.:(
anja,
If there are evidences about sin, righteousness and judgment that I receive from the holy spirit then I feel compelled to share them.
John 16
And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 in the first place, concerning sin, because they are not exercising faith in me; 10 then concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and YOU will behold me no longer; 11 then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
The reason I share them is so that Jesus Christ is the one who receives the glory.
John 16:13
However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming. 14 That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to YOU.
Therefore, if you choose to disagree with what I have posted it does not hurt my feelings.
It does not come from me so I do not take your disagreement personally however, just as you feel justified in saying that you receive things from the holy spirit, so do I.
Shame on me if I do not share the things I receive from the holy spirit.
The one who I am accountable to and will ultimately be judged by is Jesus Christ.
Not you!
In Christ
abe
06-13-2010, 09:50 PM
ablebodiedman Wrote:
If the wolves have power and authority over the flock then they really do have power and authority over the flock.
It is not the sheep who choose who has this power and authority.
It is not the sheep who choose who has this power and authority.
I disagree able. Case in point, in 1917 if the ecclesias were all autonmous, how was it that Judge Rutheerford was able to gain power and authority? It was because the flock allowed him to exhert power and authority over them.
Some left as individuals and as groups, but a good portion stayed and allowed the abuse, Lording it over the flock.
RR
06-14-2010, 01:07 AM
RR144 Wrote:
ablebodiedman Wrote:
If the wolves have power and authority over the flock then they really do have power and authority over the flock.
It is not the sheep who choose who has this power and authority.
It is not the sheep who choose who has this power and authority.
I disagree able. Case in point, in 1917 if the ecclesias were all autonmous, how was it that Judge Rutheerford was able to gain power and authority? It was because the flock allowed him to exhert power and authority over them.
Some left as individuals and as groups, but a good portion stayed and allowed the abuse, Lording it over the flock.
RR
RR144
Some left as individuals and as groups
Yep, scattered sheep.
In Christ
abe
06-14-2010, 01:45 AM
anjaandreas Wrote:
Dear Abe this verse in Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with Jehovah witness ,but with one of the ten lost tribes of Israel .
anja,
It is Jesus Christ who will reveal and do away with the sons of destruction, the braggarts, the rulers:
Isaiah 28
“Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky. 17 And I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the leveling instrument; and the hail must sweep away the refuge of a lie, and the waters themselves will flood out the very place of concealment.
Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. = Jesus Christ.
Immediately before he returns the sons of destruction (rulers) will be revealed and done away with by the spirit of his mouth.
2nd Thessalonians 2:8
Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.
The sons of destruction will be revealed from their hiding place by truths that come from Jesus Christ (Holy Spirit).
waters themselves will flood out the very place of concealment
Truths will sweep away their lie:
And I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the leveling instrument; and the hail must sweep away the refuge of a lie
2nd Thessalonians 2:11
So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie
The lie?
Millions Now Living Will Never Die!
Same lie that Satan told:
You positively will not die.
Because of this there is a terrible judgment and desolation coming upon the Jehovah's Witnesses who have undermined Jesus Christ's covenant.
and he will declare to YOU the things coming. John 16
Do you understand?
Isaiah 28
Whom will one instruct in knowledge, and whom will one make understand what has been heard? Those who have been weaned from the milk, those moved away from the breasts?
In Christ
abe
06-14-2010, 01:01 PM
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Ezekiel 22
27 Her princes in the midst of her are like wolves tearing prey in shedding blood, in destroying souls for the purpose of making unjust gain. 28 And her prophets have plastered for them with whitewash, visioning an unreality and divining for them a lie, saying: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said,†when Jehovah himself has not spoken. 29 The people of the land themselves have carried on a scheme of defrauding and have done a tearing away in robbery, and the afflicted one and the poor one they have maltreated, and the alien resident they have defrauded without justice.’
visioning an unreality and divining for them a lie!
Millions Now Living Will Never Die!
But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
according to the operation of Satan?
Genesis 3:4
At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die.
2nd Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.
2nd Corinthians 2:11
that we may not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his designs.
for we are not ignorant of his designs:- you positively will not die!
THE Lie!
according to the operation of Satan: Millions Now Living Will Never Die!
as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning.
We are not ignorant of his designs!
In Christ
abe
Ezekiel 22
27 Her princes in the midst of her are like wolves tearing prey in shedding blood, in destroying souls for the purpose of making unjust gain. 28 And her prophets have plastered for them with whitewash, visioning an unreality and divining for them a lie, saying: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said,†when Jehovah himself has not spoken. 29 The people of the land themselves have carried on a scheme of defrauding and have done a tearing away in robbery, and the afflicted one and the poor one they have maltreated, and the alien resident they have defrauded without justice.’
visioning an unreality and divining for them a lie!
Millions Now Living Will Never Die!
But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
according to the operation of Satan?
Genesis 3:4
At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die.
2nd Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.
2nd Corinthians 2:11
that we may not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his designs.
for we are not ignorant of his designs:- you positively will not die!
THE Lie!
according to the operation of Satan: Millions Now Living Will Never Die!
as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning.
We are not ignorant of his designs!
In Christ
abe
06-14-2010, 01:37 PM
06-14-2010, 04:09 PM
ablebodiedman Wrote:
Yep, scattered sheep.
Yes, and the Lord knows His sheep!
06-14-2010, 05:03 PM
anjaandreas Wrote:
Dear Abe ,you sure are very mad on the watchtower Organisation ,or not ?
I know you have a good heart dear brother ,but believe me God thought are much higher then our thoughts ,thats why we need the holy spirit .
The Jehovah witness are just a one of many cults, and i do not see the bible is talking about this cult any way.
I know you have a good heart dear brother ,but believe me God thought are much higher then our thoughts ,thats why we need the holy spirit .
The Jehovah witness are just a one of many cults, and i do not see the bible is talking about this cult any way.
anja,
What I am really mad about is that the bible shows how Satan will undermine Christianity and profane their temple and yet still he has been able to perpetrate such a spectacular deception.
Do misled people know they have been misled?
No!
That is why Holy Spirit from God is required to have faith in the truths written in the bible and see the convincing evidence that reveals them.
Satan's deception is so spectacular that he has people convinced that the same kingdom he has undermined must therefore be a cult.
Even though the bible shows that these things WILL happen to HIS kingdom.
Yes, that is how spectacular and pervasive Satan's deception is!
Do you find the things I have posted difficult to bear?
John 16
“I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present. 13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.
Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth
In Christ
abe