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Thank you very much.

I agree, but he doesn't have a chance to change his qualification anymore, opposite all others still alive, in the eyes of God.

Ecclesiastes 7:
1A good name is better than precious oil; and the day of death, than the day of one's birth.

Ecclesiastes 9:
4For to him that is joined with all the living there is hope; for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.

hi again wanda ...

Yes our good name with God is so important to us isn't it ... and MAINTAINING that good name is so vital as well ...

May whatever is 'written down' about us in the 'book' may prove to be good in the eyes of God as we seek to follow the two commands of Christ, 'love of God and neighbour' and continue to do good toward all ...

For me I come to learn to leave the 'judging' to the one who has been given that privilege ... Christ Jesus!! :thumbsup:

Not quite sure what you meant by ... :thinking::giverose:

he doesn't have a chance to change his qualification anymore

I know that he is awaiting the 'judgment' that will come to us all ... but at the time of his resurrection (indeed all who are resurrected) will they then not have an opportunity for repentance and a changing of their ways? :dontknow:

Just wondering ... :love:

Luv BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

I agree that it is up to Jesus Christ to judge, but the question for all of us is, will all kind of acts be acceptable, in question of being resurrected, even bloodguilt?

Theodore Jaracz and all others which have passed away, are obviously awaiting their "Judgement" like those who will be alive at day zero.

The living will still have time and chance to repent, like David did, the last chapter hasn't been written yet, so to speak. Ecclesiastes 7:1.

Allow me to rise a few questions :giverose:

Do you believe in, that Jack the Ripper will be resurrected, unless he had repent and confessed his sins, before he died, like David and Paul did? 2Samuel12:13.

Do you belive in, that a person who has passed away and hasn't the name written in the book of life, in any case will be resurrected? Revelation 21:27.

Do you belive in that the unrighteous shall be inherit in the kingdom of God, if they continue their wrongdoings, untill they die or judgement day will arrive? 1Corinthians 6:9-11.

Do you belive in that Judas Iscariot, which was one of the twelve and baptized, will be resurrected at the judgement day? Matthew 27:3-8.

How do you understand what Paul wrote in Hebrew 10:26-31 and will those persons in anycase be resurrected or be inherit in the Kingdom at judgement day?

Just asking ;)

Hi again wanda ...

As to 'who' is to be resurrected I think the only answer I can really give would be the words spoken of by Jesus at John 5:28-30 ...

New Living Translation

28Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son, 29and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment. 30I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.

So, it really isn't up to anyone of us to decide 'who' will be in God's memory is it?

For do we not, as mere men do what it says at 1Sam. 16:7 ...?

7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Don’t judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Yes, for the judging in TRUE JUSTICE and RIGHTEOUNESS wouldn't one have to have the ability to see BEYOND the surface of WHAT a person does to WHY he does them? :dontknow:

For example, you mention Jack the Ripper ... well while it is most certainly true that he did HORRIFIC things ... one of the big questions might be to ask WHY did he do them? :confused::thinking:

Was he mentally deranged? For even physopaths and insane people can be quite meticulous in their methodologies of doing things or perhaps could even be on a genius level in some respects ... Did he have some wrong with his 'wiring' or even have been schizophrenic or had some other kind of mental illness ... and since no one has ever been able to find out who he was who are we to say if he will or not ... :dontknow:

As to those in the 'book of life' ...

Are there not TWO books spoken of in the Bible that we have our names put in ... one can be written in the one book and have it removed (and possibly put back in)

I am thinking of the 'book of remembrance' mentioned in Mal. 3:16 ...

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then those who feared the LORD spoke with each other, and the LORD listened to what they said. In his presence, a scroll of remembrance was written to record the names of those who feared him and always thought about the honor of his name.

World English Bible
Then those who feared Yahweh spoke one with another; and Yahweh listened, and heard, and a book of memory was written before him, for those who feared Yahweh, and who honored his name.

Young's Literal Translation
Then have those fearing Jehovah spoken one to another, And Jehovah doth attend and hear, And written is a book of memorial before Him Of those fearing Jehovah, And of those esteeming His name.

Ps. 69:28 ...

New Living Translation (©2007)
Erase their names from the Book of Life; don't let them be counted among the righteous.

Young's Literal Translation
They are blotted out of the book of life, And with the righteous are not written.

However, there DOES come a point in our worship of our God when we have proved, just as his son and other loyal worshippers that we will merit our names to be permanently written in this most precious book ...

Rev. 3:5 ...

New International Version (©1984)
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.[b] I will never blot out his name from the book of life[/b], but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

As to whether or not Judas Iscariot will be resurrected ... I am pretty sure there is a thread that speaks about this idea in depth if someone could find it if I can't please? :happyheart:

I also cannot help but think of the wickednest man in the Bible ... so wicked that he not only PRACTICED sin his whole life ... he went OUT OF HIS WAY to do so ... to do whatever he thought would be in opposition to God ... yes he sins were surely a dark and deep crimson red weren't they ... and yet after he repented he was forgiven ... and we all know that 'man' as Manasseh ...

But, for me a good question to ponder on about this 'wicked man' would be ...

Would ... WE .... MAN ... have forgiven him ...? :confused::shocked:

Thinking as 'men' we could argue that he was only 'repenting' late in life to save his skin ... that he wasn't really sincere ... and look at all the harm that he had wrought ... what about the justice for his victims along the way and so on ...

But obviously there was more to the story ... and God judged his repentance to be true and acted in his unassailable wisdom and forgiveness!

For which I am sure Manasseh was and will be eternally grateful ... :giverose:

Obviously there will be those who will sin 'unforgiveably' ... but just 'who' such ones are ... again I wouldn't want to be presumptuous and say who they are ...

But may I ask you a question ...? :giverose:

what then is the resurrection for?:dontknow:

Maybe I will start it as a new thread in the general section and if you like you can answer it there so it won't get overlooked or that we won't be hijacking this thread ... ;)

Christian love, BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Not sure if this is what you're thinking of sis BR, but there may be some relevant stuff in this thread - "Will Adam and Eve Be Resurrected Too?" - http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=2987

:friends::peace:

Hi again to you BruisedReed.

Thanks for your answer and since it is up to God and Jesus Christ as judge, then the judgement will be fully righteous, no doubt about this question :giverose:

It seems in the examples with all in the Bible that it was a question whether they repent or not, in due time, in question of being approved.

I believe the resurrection is for those who have been righteous in the eyes of God, before they die, whether they have had the law or not and after the new covenant, have been found righteous after they have confess and repent, even that we all sin everyday but the Bible define what is acceptable or not for God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Will there be any logical reason for, that a merciful God, via Jesus Christ should resurrect somebody which haven't their names written in the book of life, which can be seen in, that there will be someone who will be resurrected to life and someone to death, of those who haven't had the law and been given a possibility to take a stand, maybe died as a child, where after they will be granted with a chance to improve, whether they will follow God or Satan, after he has been released for a while. :huh:

Pls. be assured about, that it isn't up to any human to decide or judge anybody, unless we like to be judged with the same judgement we make against others, but we are not talking about humans judgement but how we shall understand Biblical principles, in an attempt not to fool ourselves and risk that our names will be deleted from the Book of life, where many religious leaders today preach that everything is acceptable for God or Jesus Christ, against the Bible and better knowledge, but do they know God ? :cry: Titus 1:13-16.

What it means to love God is to keep his commandments and know what he demands of us, together with Christ as a ransom and mediator, but even he said that we should follow him and what does it means, when we are mentally well and have knowledge ? John 14:15-21. ;)

If we are deliberately responsible for that somebody die, directly or indirectly, or act in a way God doesn't love, by molest children or protect them who have done it, do you belive in, that we still will have our names written in the book of life? Matthew 25:37-40.

Just asking without any judgement ;)

Can't help but think of the difference in the two (one former) members of the GB who died recently. Theodore Jaracz and Ray Franz. :coffeeread: I imagine that only Jaracz will be mourned by all well meaning JW's who never got to know the truth about Ray Franz, who was thrown out of the synagogue. Fortunately our great God Jahweh and his great Son Jesus know exactly who both of them are, and they will be fitly rewarded .:read:
Agape,
Grateful :giverose:

Hi wanda ... :hibye:

I am going to put your response in a new thread I started for you in regards the question of the resurrection ... :giverose:

It is in the general section and is entitled ...

The purpose of the resurrection?

:happyheart:

You have an interesting view ... and I want to think on it a wee bit before trying to reply ... but others may be able to have some answers before me!

Luv BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts: