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Given this message on Sat morning May 29th, 2010.

Vision...

I saw Jehovah's Witnesses holding their Watchtower magazines up to people on the street corners, but they were also holding Republican signs!

Here is the message I received from God.

[b]DO NOT ROOT FOR THIS WORLD AT ALL! NOT EVEN IN YOUR HEARTS!

HEAR THE WORD OF JEHOVAH

DO NOT LEARN THE WAY OF THE NATIONS AT ALL!

Do not be struck with terror at the signs of the heavens, because the nations are struck with terror at them! They are like a scarecrow of a cucumber field, and cannot speak!

Without fail they will be carried because they cannot take any steps. DO NOT BE AFRAID AT THEM, FOR THEY CAN DO NOTHING CALAMATOUS AND WHAT IS MORE, THE DOING OF ANY GOOD IS NOT IN THEM!"

"The god's that did not make the very heavens and the earth are the ones who will perish from the earth, for the shepherds have behaved unreasoningly, and they have not looked to me Jehovah alone!! They have not acted with insight, and all my people they have scattered.

WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE STRUCK MY PEOPLE AND ROBBED FROM ME WHAT IS MINE SO THAT THERE IS NO HEALING FOR THEM?

THEY HAVE RETURNED TO THE ERRORS OF THEIR FOREFATHERS, WHO REFUSED TO OBEY MY WORDS, BUT WHO THEMSELVESS WALKED AFTER OTHER GODS IN ORDER TO SERVE THEM. THEY HAVE BROKEN MY COVENANT, THE SAME WAY THEIR FOREFATHERS WERE TAKEN OUT OF EGYPT, TOLD TO OBEY MY VOICE, BUT THEY WERE STIFF NECKED AND REFUSED TO LISTEN, BUT KEPT WALKING IN THE STUBBORNESS OF THEIR BAD HEARTS.

I DO NOT TAKE DELIGHT IN THEIR SACRIFICIAL SMOKE!!

THEY WILL BRING NO SALVATION TO THOSE FOLLOWING AFTER THEM IN THEIR TIMES OF CALAMITY! WILL MEN ROB FROM ME WHAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM? I WILL DESTROY YOU UNLESS YOU TURN BACK FROM YOUR OWN WAYS!"

I AM TESTING YOU NOW TO SEE IF IT IS ME YOU WILL OBEY. I DO NOT TAKE DELIGHT IN THE HORDING AFTER RICHES, BUT YOU HAVE CHOSE TO BECOME RICH. YOU HAVE NOT FED THE POOR. YOU HAVE NOT HELPED THE NEEDY OR THE WIDOW'S AND ELDERLY OF MY PEOPLE. TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE STORED UP, AND SELL IT AND FEED THE POOR AND SEE IF I POUR OUT A BLESSING UPON YOU. IF THESE THINGS YOU HAVE STORED UP ARE REALLY FOR ME, THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THE MAKER OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH NEED NOTHING FROM YOU O MAN."

New Heart,

What this is suggesting we do is in fact what those first century Christians did after they were baptized.

I do not see ANY religion that practices this on the earth today.


Malachi 3:8

“Will earthling man rob God? But YOU are robbing me.”

And YOU have said: “In what way have we robbed you?”

“In the tenth parts and in the contributions. 9 With the curse YOU are cursing [me], and me YOU are robbing—the nation in its entirety. 10 Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse, that there may come to be food in my house; and test me out, please, in this respect,” Jehovah of armies has said, “whether I shall not open to YOU people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon YOU a blessing until there is no more want.”



In Christ

abe

Hi New Heart

Re: "Here is the message I received from God."

Do you read (and believe) messages from others that state they too receive messages from God?

Thanks,

gogh

Those are dangerous words New Heart.

Be cautious. The penalty for claiming to speak for God when you actually don't is quite high.

Also, according to site regulations, discussions about visions and charismatic ideas are prohibited. Your post has no place on this board as there are some here who do not believe God speaks in that way any longer.

Matt

"And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions."

-Joel 2:28

There you gogh, :D right from (through inspiration) God's mouth. It's all about discernment. Does it line up with Commandments 1 & 2? Or is it oriented towards the self?

Not everyone has to come to the same exact truth, but everyone will see eye to eye and not judge each other over it. If you know your Father, you'll know what comes from Him and what doesn't. For some reason, I trust that New Heart's visions come from the Holy Spirit infinitely more than those of, let's say, J. F. Rutherford or Johannes Greber.

Love and Peace,
Jimmy C.

Re: "I trust that New Heart's visions come from the Holy Spirit infinitely more ..."

Psalm 146:3..."Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."

:coffeeread:

In Acts Peter said this scripture was fulfilled at Pentecost. I do not believe this is referring to some future time. Gifts and visions are were given to the Apostles and first century church as validation of their message and as a sign of God's approval. Once their message was written down in Scripture there was no need for further gifts of that nature. Besides, as I mentioned, this issue is not up for debate on this board.

Trust??? Aren't we getting a little carried away?

I won't be altering my life any over New Heart's visions gogh, and I doubt anyone else here will either. The proper Christian thing to do is to show New Heart love and acceptance. Suggesting that her visions might come from demons, which is indirectly what you are doing, is totally uncalled for. How many years did YOU put trust in the channelings of Rutherford's demons, and what was the fruitage it produced?

Peace and Love,
Jimmy C.

gogh,

If you read the content of New Hearts post then it completely agrees with your sentiment above.

It IS asking us to trust in God.

She is not asking you to trust in her however, she must feel compelled to share her dream and must think there might be some value sharing it here.

Test the inspired expression.


If there is no longer going to be any further inspired expressions then we would not be asked to test them.


In Christ

abe

And Suggesting that there is no possibility that they MIGHT come from demons is extremely naive, foolish, and quite frankly, DANGEROUS!

Just because someone has a dream and says "declare the Lord" doesn't mean we should listen to them.


"I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, 'I have dreamed, I have dreamed!' How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart, who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal? Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the LORD. Is not my word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who steal my words from one another. Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the LORD, who use their tongues and declare, 'declares the LORD.' Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the LORD, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the LORD." - Jeremiah 23:25-32 ESV

Once again, there is no place for this discussion on this board. The Mods should delete this topic.

Prodigal Son,

I am seriously considering altering my life over what New Heart has said above.


Malachi 3
Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse, that there may come to be food in my house; and test me out, please, in this respect,” Jehovah of armies has said, “whether I shall not open to YOU people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon YOU a blessing until there is no more want.”


a blessing until there is no more want


What can the consequence be if I do all the things Jehovah asks and don't receive a blessing?

Its still all good!


In Christ

abe

Thanks New Heart for your vision. It was most interesting.

Mat 10:41 Anyone who welcomes a prophet, just because that person is a prophet, will be given the same reward as a prophet. Anyone who welcomes a good person, just because that person is good, will be given the same reward as a good person.

From Note To PCafé Board Members .

Looks like some posters are not able to put up with it!


Malachi 3
“But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. 3 And he must sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and must cleanse the sons of Le´vi; and he must clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. 4 And the gift offering of Judah and of Jerusalem will actually be gratifying to Jehovah, as in the days of long ago and as in the years of antiquity.



Hearts ARE being refined!


“And they will certainly become mine,” Jehovah of armies has said, “at the day when I am producing a special property. And I will show compassion upon them, just as a man shows compassion upon his son who is serving him. 18 And YOU people will again certainly see [the distinction] between a righteous one and a wicked one, between one serving God and one who has not served him.”



In Christ

abe

Being fair she has posted such things before without a problem. Just let it lie Mavos. Its only a problem if people make it one.