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I was poking around the net this morning and got wind of yet another update about the 1914 Generation in the April 15th 2010 Watchtower. I saw only a small excerpt of the article:

Holy Spirit’s Role in the Outworking of Jehovah’s Purpose

13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) This magazine has long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave” as the primary channel for dispensing increased light. (Matt. 24:45) For example, consider our understanding of those who make up “this generation” mentioned by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32- 34.) To what generation did Jesus refer? The article “Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?” explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked, but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed with holy spirit. Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first century and in our day, would be the ones who would not only see the sign but also discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”

14 What does this explanation mean to us? Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation must be near. By maintaining your sense of urgency and keeping on the watch, you show that you are keeping up with advancing light and following the leadings of holy spirit.—Mark 13:37.

Is this for real? Can anyone verify this for me? :coffeeread:

Good morning sis :

Here you go:

"New Light Regarding Generation"

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=5803

Sadly, it's for "real".
sis

Is it another new tesching, or a reinteration of the previous new teaching? I'm not sure!:scratchhead: What a mess to try to decipher! Here's the whole article - thanks Bangalore, for sending it to me in a format I can cut & paste. :cheekkiss:

HOLY SPIRIT’S ROLE IN THE OUTWORKING OF JEHOVAH’S PURPOSE
“My word that goes forth from my mouth . . . will have certain success
in that for which I have sent it.”—ISA. 55:11.

IMAGINE that two men are each preparing
to take a trip by car. One maps out a specific,
detailed path to his destination. The
other has his destination clearly in mind,
but he also knows many alternate routes.He
is prepared to adjust his course as necessary
to deal with any contingency. In some respects,
the different approaches of these
two men illustrates the distinction between
a plan and a purpose. A plan might be
compared to mapping out a detailed path,
whereas a purpose may involve having in

2 When it comes to carrying out his will,
Jehovah has, not a fixed plan, but an unfolding
purpose. (Eph. 3:11) This purpose
involves what he originally intended for
mankind and the earth—that this globe be
turned into a paradise home, where perfect
humans can live in peace and happiness
forever. (Gen. 1:28) When Adam andEve sinned, Jehovah met that situation and made arrangements to ensure that his purpose
would be accomplished. (Read Genesis
3:15.) Jehovah determined that his symbolic
woman would bring forth a “seed,” or Son,
whowould eventually destroy the instigator,
Satan, and undo all the harm he has caused.—Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8.

3 No power in heaven or on earth can prevent
God’s expressed purpose from being
realized. (Isa. 46:9-11)Why can we say that?
Because Jehovah’s holy spirit is involved.
That irresistible force guarantees that God’s
purpose “will have certain success.” (Isa. 55:
10, 11) We do well to keep fully attuned to
the unfolding of God’s purpose. Our future
life prospects depend on its fulfillment. In
addition, it is faith-strengthening to see
how Jehovah uses holy spirit. Let us, then,
consider the spirit’s role—in the past, at
present, and in the future—in the outworking
of Jehovah’s purpose.

Holy Spirit’s Role in the Past
4 In Bible times, Jehovah gradually revealed
his purpose. At first, the identity of
the promised Seed was “a sacred secret.”
(1 Cor. 2:7) Not until some 2,000 years later
did Jehovah again make reference to a seed.
(Read Genesis 12:7; 22:15-18.) To Abraham,
Jehovah gave an expanded promise. The
words “by means of your seed” were a clear
indication that the Seed would come as a
human, a descendant of Abraham. We can
be sure that Satan was watching with great
interest as this detail was unveiled. That Adversary
no doub twanted nothing more than
to destroy or corrupt Abraham’s line of descent
and thus frustrate God’s purpose. But
such an outcome was impossible, for God’s
unseen spirit was at work. In what ways?

5 Jehovah used his spirit to protect individuals
in the line of descent leading up to the
Seed. To Abram(Abraham), Jehovah said: “I
am a shield for you.” (Gen.15:1) Thosewere
not empty words. Consider, for example,
what happened about 1919 B.C.E. when
Abrahamand Sarah took up temporary residence
in Gerar.Not knowing that Sarah was
Abraham’s wife, Abimelech, the king of Gerar,
took Sarahwiththe intention ofmaking
her his wife. Was Satan manipulating matters
behind the scenes, trying to prevent Sarahfrombearing
Abraham’s seed? The Bible
doesnot say.What it does tell us is that Jehovah
intervened. In a dream, he warned
Abimelech not to touch Sarah.—Gen. 20:1-18.

6 That was not just an isolated incident.
Jehovah delivered Abraham and his family
members on a number of occasions. (Gen.
12:14-20; 14:13-20; 26:26-29) Regarding
Abraham and his descendants, the psalmist
could therefore say: “He [Jehovah] did not
allow any human to defraud them, but on
their account he reproved kings, saying: ‘Do
not you men touch my anointed ones, and
to my prophets do nothing bad.’”—Ps. 105:14, 15.

7 By means of his spirit, Jehovah protected
the ancient nation of Israel, into which the
promised Seed would be born. Through his
spirit, Jehovah gave Israel his Law, which
preserved true worship and protected the
Jews from spiritual, moral, and physical
contamination. (Ex. 31:18; 2 Cor. 3:3) In the
time of the Judges, Jehovah’s spirit empowered
certain men to deliver Israel from its
enemies. (Judg. 3:9, 10) During the centuries
leading up to the birth of Jesus, the pri-mary part of Abraham’s seed, holy spirit must have been involved in protecting Jerusalem,
Bethlehem, and the temple—all of
which would play a part in the fulfillment
of the prophecies about Jesus.

8 Holy spirit was directly involved in the
life and ministry of Jesus. Operating in the
wombof the virgin Mary, holy spirit accomplished
something never done before or
since. It caused an imperfectwoman to conceive
and give birth to a perfect Son, who
was not under the penalty of death. (Luke 1:
26-31, 34, 35) The spirit later protected the
infant Jesus from premature death. (Matt. 2:
7, 8, 12, 13) When Jesus was about 30, God
anointed him with holy spirit, appointing
him to be the heir to David’s throne and
commissioning him to preach. (Luke 1:32,
33; 4:16-21) Holy spirit empowered Jesus
to perform miracles, including healing the
sick, feeding the crowds, and raising the
dead. Such mighty acts were foregleams of
the blessings we can expect under Jesus’ kingly rule.

9 Starting at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah
used his spirit to anoint the secondary part of
the seed of Abraham, many of whom were
not descendants of Abraham. (Rom. 8:15-
17; Gal. 3:29) Holy spirit was in evidence
upon Jesus’ first-century disciples, enabling
them to preach with zeal and empowering
them to perform powerful works. (Acts 1:8; 2:
1-4; 1Cor.12:7-11) Bymeans of thosemiraculous
gifts, holy spirit revealed a striking development
in the outworking of Jehovah’s
purpose. Jehovah was no longer using the
centuries-old arrangement for worship that
centered on the temple in Jerusalem.His fa-
vor had shifted to the newly formed Christian
congregation. Ever since, Jehovah has
been using that anointed congregation to
serve his purpose.

10 Protecting, empowering, anointing
—these are just a few of the ways that Jehovah
used the holy spirit in Bible times to
keep his purpose moving ever forward toward
its fulfillment. What, though, about
our day?Howis Jehovah nowusing his spirit
in support of his purpose? We need to
know, for we want towork in harmony with
the spirit. Let us, then, consider four of the
ways in which Jehovah is using his spirit at
present.

Holy Spirit’s Role at Present
11 First, holy spirit is a force for cleanness
among God’s people. Thosewho play a part
in Jehovah’s purposemust bemorallyclean.
(Read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.) Some who become
true Christians formerly engaged in
such immoral practices as fornication, adultery,
and homosexuality. The desires that
give birth to sinful acts can be deeply entrenched.
(Jas.1:14,15) Yet, such individuals
have been “washed clean,” indicating that
they have made the changes in their life
needed to please God. What enables a lover
of God to resist successfully the impulse to
act on wrong desires? “The spirit of our
God,” says 1 Corinthians 6:11. By keeping
morally clean, you show that you are letting
that spirit be a dominant force in your life.

12 Second, Jehovah uses his spirit to lead
his organization in the direction that he
wants it to go. In Ezekiel’s vision, the
heavenly part of Jehovah’s organization isdepicted as a celestial chariot that is irresistibly
on the move to fulfill Jehovah’s purpose.
What impels the chariot to move in a
certain direction? Holy spirit. (Ezek. 1:20,
21) Let us remember that Jehovah’s organization
is made up of two parts, one in heaven
and the other on earth. If the heavenly
part is directed by holy spirit, the samemust
be true of the earthly part. By being obedient
and loyal to the direction received from
the earthly part of God’s organization, you
show that you are keeping pace with Jehovah’s
celestial chariot and are working in
harmonywith his holy spirit.—Heb.13:17.

13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing
Bible truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) Thismagazine
has long been used by “the faithful and
discreet slave” as the primary channel for
dispensing increased light. (Matt. 24:45) For
example, consider our understanding of
those who make up “this generation” mentioned
by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32-34.)
To what generation did Jesus refer? The article
“Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean
to You?” explained that Jesus was referring,
not to the wicked, but to his disciples, who
were soon to be anointed with holy spirit.*
Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first
century and in our day, would be the ones
who would not only see the sign but also
discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at
the doors.”

14 What does this explanation mean to
us? Although we cannot measure the exact
length of “this generation,” we do well to
keep in mind several things about the word
“generation”: It usually refers to people of
varying ages whose lives overlap during a
particular time period; it is not excessively
long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then,
are we to understand Jesus’ words about
“this generation”? He evidently meant that
the lives of the anointed whowere on hand
when the sign began to become evident in
1914 would overlap with the lives of other
anointed ones who would see the start of
the great tribulation. That generation had a
beginning, and it surely will have an end.
* See TheWatchtower, February 15, 2008, pages 21-25.
The fulfillment of the various features of
the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation
must be near. By maintaining your sense of
urgency and keeping on the watch, you
show that you are keeping up with advancing
light and following the leadings of holy
spirit.—Mark 13:37.

15 Fourth, holy spirit empowers us to declare
the good news. (Acts 1:8) What else
could explain how the good news has been
preached earth wide? Think about it. You
may be among those who, perhaps because
of extreme shyness or apprehension, once
thought, ‘I could never go preaching from
house to house!’ Yet, you now have a zealous
share in that work. Many faithful Witnesses
of Jehovah have continued preaching
in the face of opposition or persecution.
Only God’s holy spirit can empower us to
overcome daunting obstacles and to do
things that would be impossible in our own
strength. (Mic. 3:8; Matt. 17:20) By having a
full share in the preaching work, you show
that you are cooperating with that spirit.

Holy Spirit’s Role in the Future
16 In the future, Jehovah will employ his
holy spirit in remarkable ways to accomplish
the fulfillment of his purpose. Consider
first the matter of protection. As we have
seen, Jehovah used his spirit in the past to
protect individuals as well as the nation of
Israel as a whole. Hence, we have every reason
to believe that he will use that same
powerful spirit to protect his people during
the approaching great tribulation.We need
not speculate about exactly how Jehovah
will care for us then. Rather, we can look to
the future with confidence, knowing that
lovers of Jehovah will never be hidden from
his view or beyond the reach of his holy
spirit.—2 Chron.16:9; Ps.139:7-12.

17 How will Jehovah use his holy spirit in
the coming new world? That spirit will be
the force behind the new scrolls that will be
opened at that time. (Rev. 20:12) What will
these contain? Evidently, Jehovah’s detailed
requirements for us during the thousand
years. Do you look forward to examining
the contents of those scrolls? With eager anticipation,
we await that newworld.We cannot
begin to imagine what it will be like to
be living at that blessed time when Jehovah
will use his holy spirit to fulfill his purpose
for the earth and humankind upon it.

18 Let us never forget that Jehovah’s unfolding
purpose is certain to succeed, for he
useshis holy spirit—themost powerful force
in the universe—to carry it out. That purpose
involves you. Therefore, let it be your
firm determination to supplicate Jehovah
for his spirit and work in harmony with
its leadings. (Luke 11:13) Thus you may
have the prospect of living as Jehovah purposed
humans to live—forever in Paradise
on earth.

Box on page 10 ---
Are You Keeping Up With Increased Light?
Jehovah continues to shed
light upon his people. What are
some refinements that have been
published inTheWatchtower?

Jesus’ illustration of the leaven highlights what
positive lesson about spiritual
growth? (Matt. 13:33)—July 15,
2008, pages 19-20.
ˇ When does the calling of Christians
to a heavenly hope cease?—May 1,
2007, pages 30-31.
ˇ What does it mean to worship Jehovah
“with spirit”? (John 4:24)
—July 15, 2002, page 15.
ˇ In which courtyard does the great
crowd serve? (Rev. 7:15)—May 1,
2002, pages 30-31.
ˇ When does the separating of the
sheep and the goats take place?
(Matt. 25:31-33)—October 15,1995,
pages 18-28.

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But come on everyone....they make mistakes too -- they arent perfect!! :huh::thinking::huh:


PS...Dont ya just love that one! :thinking:

bad beau--bad bad beau :D

a friend of mine from school days --who is now an elder--told me awhile ago that if you (speaking of the elders) don't agree with what the organization tells you '''they take you in the back room and hang you up by your thumbnails'' and if that doesn't work we know they do worse than that--especially if you don't keep your mouth shut. That is one of the great travesties of this so-called 'new light.' It never seems to enhance former beliefs but anihilates it which means if you didn't agree then You were the one that was right--and maybe were disfellowshipped or ostracized in another way for it. This is actually an outrage --if one was inclined to be outraged-- considering the lives affected--a d in some cases irreparably damaged.....sigh...... :(

wolfie,

That is something which dismays me a great deal.

Enormous numbers of wholesome family units, the very fabric of our society has been destroyed because some people disagreed with what is now old light.

Those people who disagreed have been vindicated however, the Watchtower Society still does absolutely nothing to restore those completey shattered family units even though their new light proves that the old light was wrong.

They still refuse to accept accountability for a most horrific crime whose consequence has destroyed families all over the world!

In Christ

abe

All these 'new lights' have left me in the dark. Most of the time I do not know what the current official stance is on any one of the numerous doctrines they flip floped upon.

It really shouldnt be that complicated?!

Dear Melancholymuse and all others.

It hasn't been so far away, that you have to poke around, it was mentinoned the following places, that The Watchtower Society have changed their explanation about "Generation" for the sixth time as: :idea:

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=6000

Justitia have maked another former thread about the WT's 2008 "Generation" here:

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=3406

Our Bro Bangalore has posted about it here:

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=5803

Dear Wolfie and Beau

I think I have heard the same kind of history before. Wasn't it what their former colleagues did against Jesus Christ, when he explore their leak of love and wrongdoings, wherafter they desperately tried to catch him in words, to be able to silence him and then keept secred trails :thinking:

Didn't someone here recognize the pattern :D

Yes Beau, especially when it comes to the result of their man made doctrines, where they already have sent thousands of spiritual persons, Brothers, Sisters and their Children, into a premature death and they continous to do it in the name of Jehovah...

It doesn't really matter their victims will be resurrected, so let us continue to support those men and their man created organisation, which rob the widows and the fatherless :thumbsup:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

This is truly hilarious. LOL


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You know where this is going don't you? You can get three generations out of 1914! Then you can even make it perpetual, a series of anointed generations that overlap. "The perpetual generation of 1914!"

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How ridiculous. Anyone who swallows this garbage is blind and really has to start thinking for themselves. Praise the Son that though once we were blind, now we can see. We should pray that they too would be granted eyes to see.

When Jesus said this generation wouldn't pass away, he was referring to the aspects of the prophesy in the Olivet Discourse that related to the destruction of Jerusalem. One generation, 40 years later, Jerusalem was leveled. Easy enough. No hopscotch or funny explanations.

Grace and peace to you,

Matt

no, no, no, mavos. you don't understand. we really, really need our 1914 doctrine. otherwise, how are we supposed to conjure up our ubiquitous appointment as the "faithful and discreet slave" [class]? :whistle:

OH! I understand now, you're thinking of that verse that the WT likes so much.... "And by this you invalidated your tradition for the sake of the word of God." - 2 Matthew 15:6

That must be the verse you're thinking of right iso? :whistle: