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For those interested.

Richard Rawe is arranging a public discussion on: "Did Jesus Christ have a pre-human existence?" The discussion will be on Saturday, May 8, beginning at 2 PM (EDT), 1 PM (CDT), noon (MDT) and 11 AM (PDT) and continuing for at least two hours.

Anthony Buzzard of Atlanta Bible College (Church of God, Faith of Abraham - the group Benjamin Wilson of the Emphatic Diaglott was associated with) will advocate that Jesus did not.

James Parkinson of California an elder with the Bible Students will advocate that Jesus did indeed have a pre-human existence.

As tentatively planned, each will have a half hour presentation, followed by 10-15 minutes of dialog questions, and then followed by open lines for anyone to ask questions.

If anyone would like to listen and/or participate:To listen in (and later participate in the question session), first dial (218) 486-1616, then when told to enter the ID number use 771057 followed by the pound sign (#). Later, in the second hour, instructions will be given how to unmute, in order to be heard one at a time.

There are substantial reasons to not believe in this, firstly this idea was completely foreign to Judaism though it was not to pagans Plato and socrates invented the concept of a God who was too Holy to interact with creation so he created a lesser God called a demiurge to create everything years later a philosopher turned Christian Justin martyr who believed these philosophers to be inspired came and began teaching these ideas as Christian.

The bible tells us salvation belongs to the Jews they were told in Isaiah God had no help creating things and they are the work of his hands, Trinitarians use this to support the idea of the Trinity, however the pagans had trinities they had a lesser Creator God are we to believe they were revealed more of Gods purpose than his covenant people at the time? In Hebrew though Yeshua as the plan or word of God lamb slain before the founding of the world with glory with God as that word before the founding of the world is preexistent in thought or purpose he is not a reincarnated angel. Was he literally slain before the word? Was Jeremiah pre existent as God knew him before he was born?

There are ways to reconcile all this and the way is that with Yeshua it was even more so than anyone else he IS the word the plan, he is what God intended, te one to whole the right belongs through him and for the world to come is created, there are many problems whichcan bereconclied if we stop reading gentile ideas into the scriptures and take them as a harmonious book, remember the context and all those seemingly personal preexistence verses are perfectly harmoniously explained.