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Sorry to say Roberts, Jesus did not die for the animals,

To bring back every animal that died we would have more animals then people. I went to the site printed and the animal subject caught my eye.

How about all the ones that were put on our dinner plate,!!!!

Sure they are smart and each animal has its own personality, this came from their creator including their programed life span if thy are healthy , They know from the built in instinct they were given,how and what to do to survive, their life was not covered by Christ ransom , , and yet most belong to the food chain. Can they get to know Jehovah and His son and love him with their whole heart soul and mind ? That is the requirement for ever lasting life . John 17:3
The two greatest commandments are just that and to love your neighbor as your self.

The domestic animals are grateful to the hand that feeds them and that's it , they will even be very loyal to that person even to death.. To them a loving kind owner is everything to them.
Jehovah will never allow any of his creations to become extinct, so there will always be the animals on earth in fact his promise to them is never again will any harm come to them under His Holy Mountain . ( Kingdom )Hosea.

There will be a Sparky for the little ones in the paradise earth, but it will NOT be a resurrected Sparky.

love susanna:grouphug:

Jesus Christ, 33AD or thereabouts...

... which tells you pretty much all you need to know about the TIMING of those prophecies.

(1) "In the meantime, an account came that there were commotions in Gall, and that Vindex, together with the men of power in that country, had revolted from Nero; which affair is more accurately described elsewhere. This report thus related to Vespasian, excited him to go on briskly with the war, for he foresaw already the civil wars which were coming upon them, nay, that the very government was in danger; and he thought, if he could first reduce the eastern parts if the empire to peace, he should make the fears for Italy the lighter..." (Wars Of The Jews, Book 4, Section 8:1)

This fulfilled Daniel 11:44:

"But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising [[east, ie. Judea]] and out of the north [[i.e. Gaul]], and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction."

(2) "And now Vespasian had fortified all the places round about Jerusalem ... // ... And now the war having gone through all the mountainous country, and all the plain country also, those that were at Jerusalem were deprived of the liberty of going out of the city; for as to such as had a mind to desert, they were watched by the zealots; and as such as were not yet on the side of the Romans, their army kept them in, by encompassing the city round about on all sides." (Wars Of The Jews, Book 4, Section 9:1)

This fulfilled Daniel 11:45:

"And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration..."

(3) "Now as Vespasian was returned to Cesarea, and was getting ready, with all his army to march directly to Jerusalem, he was informed that Nero was dead, after he had reigned thirteen years and eight days ... // ... But as to any narration as to what manner he [Nero] abused his power in the government ... and was deserted by all his guards, and ran away with four of his most trusted freedmen, and slew himself in the suburbs of Rome ... I have just touched upon everything briefly. Wherefore Vespasian put off at first his expedition against Jerusalem, and stood waiting whither the empire would be transferred after the death of Nero."

This fulfilled Daniel 11:45(b):

"... and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him."

Daniel 11 was completely fulfilled by 68AD and the death of Nero.

This was, however, before the main part of the "great tribulation" that came upon Jerusalem, which was destroyed two years later under Vespasian's son Titus, once Vespasian (the general who initially came against Jerusalem) was elevated to emperor of Rome.

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Good point. I believe there is a link at the bottom of the page;
http://www.musingsaboutgod.com/unlocking.htm
(yup, just double checked, it's there)
The link says "(to resolve Dan 11:22 with this timeline click here)"

Not sure I agree with the Modern Christian identity of the "Leader of the covenant" offered there, but the Modern Jewish one seems plausible.

Susanna, you must be referring to the article at the website:
www.MusingsAboutGod.com
"Can Animals Live Forever". My thought from that article is that animals that would have been under the dominion of Man could be resurrected. And, of course, any that God chooses.

However, I would kindly suggest that this is "off-topic", y'all need to be out shopping.
This Food thing looks real.


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Prodigal Son,

The leader of the covenant is Jesus Christ.

The covenant he inaugurated with his death is the covenant which has been broken.

It is the "constant feature" that Jesus Christ established which will be removed and replaced by a disgusting thing.

It is the Christian temple that is profaned by a "man of lawlessness" the sons of destruction.

This happens immediately before Jesus Christs return to gather together his chosen ones. (2nd Thessalonians Ch2).


In Christ

abe

Yes, I knew that Jesus was the leader of the covenant. I was being my sometimes facetious self, wondering how the crucifixion fits into the "time of the end".

It's been going on for well over 2,000 years, and it seems there is no end to the rather creative interpretations of Daniel ch. 11!

Love and Peace,
Jimmy C.

And I knew you knew... I just had to make explicit what you were pointing out facetiously, for the benefit of others who get sucked into these "fantas-tic" explanations :D

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In addition to the Information first posted here, Russia is now losing it's grain crop due to Heat, Drought, and Fires.
It is the worst Heat/Drought in over 1000 years of Recorded Russian History.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/20100809674...nnium.html
NASA Heat Map of Russia:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=45069

All exporting of grain has been banned by Putin:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/world/...ussia.html
Russia is the single largest exporter of grain to the Middle-East and many other areas.

Losses are of "Biblical Proportions":
http://www.eurasiareview.com/20100809674...-year.html

NASA pic of Russia Burning:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=45046

Plus Flooding throughout Asia,China, Pakistan et al.

But lest you draw the conclusion that Russia, China, etc. will be the most affected by this, be aware That Russia, China, and India have HUGE RESERVES, and can weather this quite well.
The Rest of The Whole World is depending on Australia and the US for food this year, (Canada had devastating flooding) but Australia is looking down the barrel of an EPIC Locust Plague, and the US may still have an EPIC Grasshopper Plague as mentioned in the very first Post here. (there are no Locusts in the US, they're Grasshoppers in the US see: Wikipedia , And Here)


Just thought you should know



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Dear Roberts:hibye:,

I think its real nice that you feel compelled to warn people and try to get them to stock up.:giverose:

To be quite frank, I have not stockpile or provisions:dontknow:

I'm not really worried. I think I just have to keep making friends and making friends. I think its kind of a chain. If we believe bible based inspiration, we have to look past the 'fear'. Fear is earthly, part of the evil power over us. Faith conquers fear, which allows us to follow holy spirit. (Spiritual rock, paper, scissors, LOL)

I think that we can have stockpiles and what a blessing to be a giver to those in need!:hug: It doesn't look like I'm in the hoarding group right now. That doesn't mean that when I get through this perception of reality, then I won't end up on the other side in a few months (with full cupboards:eat:). The only thing sure about life, is that life changes.

I am grateful for my huge stockpile of faith. I did have a compliment from someone who said my faith was food storage. I think the ones with the strong faith help others in a way that physical food doesn't. A stockpile of food, both can and cannot be an indicator of what we understand that we are supposed to have when the day of judgment comes. Faith, however is, for sure, an indicator.

Taking it easy, Roberts, on the fear.:grouphug: Aren't we all ready to pull together in the end, anyways?

With Sis Love, Debbie

Dear Interpretum:hibye:,

You know how much I've appreciated your Revelation writings on the board.:giverose:

I'm real glad that there was fulfillment in the generation preached to by Jesus. It would really shake our faith if John's generation didn't see the "end", wouldn't it?

The inspired "warnings" of the bible have brought many arguments and dissension (hope its the right word) through the almost 2000 years since Christ. At the same time, RIGHT NOW, we are at the most rapidly evolving change. Technology, itself, burns me like the scary locusts in Revelation. It doesn't take much to get a scary Revelation 'meta tag' in our brain, does it?

I pray you and yours are well. Just wanted to say hi and chat:drinking:, although its really like this:coffeeread:. LOL. I'm planning on going to the islands this weekend, and I'm going to have some fun. :cheer: :drinking: I have two days left to post resumes and pray for a job, then I'm selling what I can at my home on the Gulf. I'll be poor, with no food, in Hollister :cry: but my kids will start school like this:D:thumbup:. We can afford to lose a few pounds but can't afford to not look cool. :rofl: Priorities!:help:

With Sis Love, Debbie

Hey Debbie :D

Good to hear from you. Yes, it's true the scary Revelation "meta tag" easily gets lodged into our brains... I see you understand how web pages work, too :thumbup:

I think it may have been written deliberately like that... keeps humankind on their toes! :cheer::cheer::cheer:

Anyway, I hope you have a great time on the islands :thumbsup:

:friends::hug:

Roberts,


People are starting to get concerned about crop failures this year too, calling some regions of the plains "dust bowls".

http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/st...plains.asp


In Christ

abe