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The article was taken from another website that is completely scientific, if you bothered to read it. If it happens to verify something that somebody channeled, oh well!

You say this is a Christian discussion board? Why not listen to your Master then? It doesn't get any plainer than this:

12 Most truly I say to YOU, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.

Ciao,
Jimmy C.

ciao, Jimmy:D

That's great to hear. Malkah. I was confident you would see the fun in it and I'm glad it wasn't bad timing.

The unsavable Malkah! :love:

Regards,
Brendan.

Malkah,

Welcome back!!

In my experience, there is some overlap in some so-called charismatic circles and New Age channeling/visualization etc. Some of the "weirdness" can be attributed to emotionalism; but in some cases there are demonic spirits at work.

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Double post

NewHeart,

Yes, if these places on the Internet are indeed the wilderness where "the woman is being fed" then it is the same place that Satan will come to overturn as many as possible.

Just as those few Israelites who were taken out of Egypt into the wilderness rebelled so I believe the same thing will probably happen in the end time "wilderness".

If this really is the wilderness, the final place of the few remaining ones then Satan will be right here on this forum trying to overturn people.


Revelation 12:17
And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.

Yep, I think Satan will use a great deal of pressure to get people to give up and just go with the flow or to "look back" to the things we just escaped as Lot's wife did.


But hey, if this is the end time wilderness then just like in ancient times the next step is the promised land.

Ezekiel 20
“‘Just as I put myself on judgment with YOUR forefathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I shall put myself on judgment with YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 37 ‘And I will make YOU pass under the rod and bring YOU into the bond of the covenant. 38 And I will clean out from YOU the revolters and the transgressors against me, for out of the land of their alien residence I shall bring them forth, but onto the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
39 “And YOU, O house of Israel, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Go serve each one of YOU his own dungy idols. And afterward if YOU are not listening to me, then my holy name YOU will no more profane by YOUR gifts and by YOUR dungy idols.’


for out of the land of their alien residence I shall bring them forth, but onto the soil of Israel they will not come;


Compare Ezekiel to what Jesus Christ said:


Matthew 24:40-41
Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned


Same thing that happened to the ancient Israelites when they were "in the wilderness".


Now is not a good time to think of the symbolic Egypt we just came out of and to start building "golden calfs".


In Christ

abe

I think of religions as the milk..but we eventually all come to the end of the road where there is a fork in the road, and we must choose which way to go now..stay with milk..or choose to grow and eat some solid food for once.

I was at that point in the road in 2003..and I had a lot of questions still in my heart that were left unanswered. I wanted to find God so bad and have a close relationship with my Father, that I just started becoming so interested in reading the bible alone outside in the summer sunny fresh air in Alaska. I was reading Isaiah.. and it seemed as though I was reading about me ...and how I was being trapped by men claiming to be God. It was like a bolt of lightning hit me!

I began just asking God in prayer to teach me the truth...I wanted it from Him alone..no man in between. I was so awestruck when He really did answer me, and has been ever since I chose Him alone.

This life we live is a great adventure. Love will get us to the fork at the end of the road where we decide who were going to continue to serve...man or God...

God sees everything..He knows us personally before we even ask Him...

He rejoices when we choose Him.

This song ..reminds me of the way I felt when I found God, and began to finally know what it means to walk with Him. Please listen to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVFPjIp6nkk

Love,
New Heart


Abe..I keep seeing The vultures are circling alot lately. It happens at least once a day ...and I was parked at the store, and noticed at least 2 dozen vultures sitting all over a tree.

Wierd, that you said that.. just sayin. Oh and what you said about the next thing being the promised land...you are right...I have been given glimpses of this place, and it is so real, and so near to become a reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maARmxjj3f0

NewHeart,

Yes, I think the being "fed in the wilderness" is a very important stage in a Christians life.

It is not the time to fall asleep even though the scriptures indicate that many will.

Ezekiel Chapter 20 is very profound.

Ezekiel 20
“‘Just as I put myself on judgment with YOUR forefathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I shall put myself on judgment with YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 37 ‘And I will make YOU pass under the rod and bring YOU into the bond of the covenant. 38 And I will clean out from YOU the revolters and the transgressors against me, for out of the land of their alien residence I shall bring them forth (into the wilderness), but onto the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
39 “And YOU, O house of Israel, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Go serve each one of YOU his own dungy idols. And afterward if YOU are not listening to me, then my holy name YOU will no more profane by YOUR gifts and by YOUR dungy idols.’

I believe the purpose for being in the wilderness in the first place is explained in Ezekiel:

And I will make YOU pass under the rod and bring YOU into the bond of the covenant

If we are indeed "in the wilderness" now then we are "passing under the rod" in order to be brought back into the covenant which has been broken by the "disgusting thing" and the "constant feature" being removed.

Daniel Chapter 11 and 12 show that it is breaking of this covenant which is the milestone event that starts the clock ticking on the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

Being brought back under the "bond of the covenant" is therefore an essential necessity prior to being allowed to cross into the promised land.

The feeding takes place over a fixed period of time.

I believe that during this time we are "passing under the rod".


Both Ezekiel and Daniel show that some in the wilderness will not be brought into the "bond of the covenant".


Ezekiel 20:38
And I will clean out from YOU the revolters and the transgressors against me, for out of the land of their alien residence I shall bring them forth (into the wilderness), but onto the soil of Israel they will not come

This refining happens "in the wilderness".


Daniel 11:33-35
But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.


"passing under the rod".

It all has to do with the breaking of the covenant.


Daniel 12:9-12
9 And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.
11 “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, (breaking of the covenant) there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!


I think it is a good idea to carefully read Ezekiel Chapter 20.


In Christ

abe

The first century Christians, who were really a mish-mash of Jews and Gentiles, coalesced in a variety of congregations. But remember this:

- Jesus taught private prayers, not public or group.
- Paul was not exactly a member of a church. He was as much a lone ranger as any Hebrew Prophet in the OT

“You know that everyone in the province of Asia has deserted me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes.” - 2Ti 1:15

- The Christian leadership, especially those in Jerusalem, were steeped in Israelite traditions. That's why they struggled when Gentiles came on the scene, with topics like circumcision. They pushed for what they knew, which was top-down faith. But Jesus taught individuals directly, and encouraged them to associate with other individuals...he did not build churches. Mercy not sacrifice. Law on hearts. Do not judge. Love God and Neighbor, here is how YOU pray (don't let someone pray for you) - his message was clear.

- Abraham, Noah, Enoch, Abel, Elijah, Daniel, etc..they were all respected and beloved by God. What church did they attend?


Association with others of like mind, and those who help sharpen our minds is healthy. However the majority of those who find favor with God in the Bible would most definitely be described as Lone Rangers, not the rank and file.

We can build a relationship with God without a church, and even without a Bible. As a matter of fact, that's what God wants, for us to just naturally serve him. (Jer 8:6,7)

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COMankind

Thanks COMankind for quoting many exact thoughts and verbal expressions experienced and communicated this day....grin....fun...grin.

Christian love and appreciation,

gogh

Hello there Gogh! It's been a while for me. I've been working on a book actually. Good to hear from you.

Interesting how our thoughts aligned on this one.

I've personally always viewed the Bible like a cookbook. It's filled with recipes on how to create wonderful dishes. But there's no committee that can say how chili should taste. Instead, a cookbook provides guidance from a master chef to a student. The ultimate goal of any cook is that they never need the book, that it's all done by instinct.

I genuinely believe this is what "deeper things" and "meat" mean in the Bible.