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Our Father who is in Heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come; Your will be done, as it is in Heaven, also on the earth.
Give us today our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil

- a well-known prayer that might be worth a comment in the context of kingdom.

Greetings fellow slaves!! :clap:


Hows it going mates? :thumbsup:


Me thinks its all probably a lot simpler and more pragmatic than its made out to be....and as one of my best friends says...."its got to be as practical as a chair".

But, so long as its in a galaxy far, far away....it will have to wait till tomorrow. Funny thing about it, though....is that there is no such thing as "tomorrow"...there is only Now.;)


Cheers mates! :friends::friends::friends:

Brendan said:

Beau said:

I say: :yes:

:siskiss: A great thread, sis Lynn - many good comments!

:thumbsup:
:peace: :heartbeat:

Resolute,

You said:

I understand why you felt you should clarify, however I do feel the word translated perfected is much more true to what is being said here. Perfection though is not present until completion, because when something is perfect you should or could not add any more too it to make it better.

I think Hebrews says something about him that we could note here.

For we do not have a high priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted just as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. -Heb 4:15-16

We can come before the throne because he paved the way, he showed us how to obtain mercy and grace when we are being tempted into sin, before the desire gives birth to it. He was touched with our imfimities, he felt them, experienced them and overcame them. By him, our high priest, we can now approach that throne of grace.

Just as when Our lord was tempted, just as we are, and turned to his Father and remained holy. We too can follow the author of our salvation and obtain his strength being justified before the throne against our accusor.

With his Love
Lynn

Hi Beau! :friends:

Love this thought:

Many of the times Jesus speaks of the Kingdom he talks about seeing it, it being near, and entering into it. Many of these truly had to do with his proximity! Also with his glorification. So now our lord has been glorified, and he dwells with us, and therefore we can see and feel the kingdom can we not? For he is, was, and is coming. The coming of course is the completion of the matter, as he has promised, that we will finally be where he is, instead of him being where we are. :-)



In his love
Lynn

Hi Brenden,

When I read your posts, I alway think,.... That Brenden, always thinking! :-)

I agree, I think it would be a great thing to add to this discussion.

When I read this, each thing reminds me of parts of Christ.

For example, when Jesus was talking one night at a dinner table he said:

" And one of those who reclined with Him heard these things, and he said to Him, Blessed are those eating bread in the kingdom of God. "

He goes on to talk about a wonderful invitation to a wedding feast, and about those who accept or decline. After speaking his parable he explains that it has to do with accepting and following him. This makes sense of course because as he spoke in the book of John, he is the bread from heaven, and it is also said of him, he is the real manna.

Christian Love
Lynn

Hey Lynn,

Thanks for the reply:) I'll clarify a bit. The reason for my response is that there are some of those with us who believe that Jesus was just an ordinary human, without a heavenly pre-existence, born in sin like all of us. It is their thought that he somehow found a way to conquer his sinful human nature, and thus so can we. (I don't think you believe that). That thinking could lead to the New Age thought that we are able to "evolve" into a higher spiritual state by our own efforts.

They have used the word "perfected" in that verse in Hebrews to support this contention. If taken out of context it may sound like Jesus started out "imperfect" and worked his way to perfection. But as the scripture you quoted says that Jesus was tested in all respects like ourselves, yet without sin.

So I have no argument with what you posted. Sorry for borrowing your thread to make that point.:P

Love,
Rez

Hi Rez,

I don't know what kind of New Agers you've been in contact with, but I've never met one who believed that they were able to do ANYTHING on their own. In fact they know that it's the opposite, that the idea that we are separate is an illusion and instead, we are all one, we are all connected. This is a basic concept of many religions. The 17th chapter of John is a perfect example that Jesus taught the very same concept.

As far as "evolving", it's important to remember that this planet was around for 4 and a half BILLION years before humans appeared. The idea is not that God is evolving, it's that his CREATION became SEPARATE but retained the consciousness of God down to the atomic level, that it IS evolving and that it will eventually REUNITE with Him.
Only atheists are ARROGANT enough to think they can do ANYTHING on their own.

Ciao,
Jimmy C.

Howdy PS

Re: "it's that his CREATION became SEPARATE but retained the consciousness of God down to the atomic level, that it IS evolving and that it will eventually REUNITE with Him."

Two questions:

One...What is "it" you are referring to?

Second... Do you believe this to be a teaching of our Master Teacher, Jesus Christ? (If so, please provide a scripture (preferably a quote from our Master) from the Holy Bible).

Thanks ,

gogh

:coffeeread:

To go with the topic of this thread, New Heavens and New Earth,

I wan't to tell you something that had me in a good mood all day. Sometimes, when the Father wan'ts to give me hope when I am feeling low, He will speak to me with songs. He knows that I love music. He makes me aware, of His love through the words and this makes me know that I am loved and gives me courage and faith to keep moving. He often will wake me up with a song in the morning, right before I open my eyes.

In the dream this morning,Sunday, I was driving alone in my car down a highway and it is getting dark, and a song came on the stereo. I remembered that I loved this song from when I was a teenager, so I cranked it up loud. So I am driving with it cranked singing along, then I wake up. I looked up the lyrics because I forgot most of the lyrics, and I was thinking how fitting the words are to this topic. We are almost there guys!:cheer:

CCR

Up Around The Bend lyrics

There's a place up ahead and I'm goin'
Just as fast as my feet can fly
Come away come away if you're goin'
Leave the sinkin' ship behind.

CHORUS:
Come on the risin' wind
We're goin' up around the bend.

Ooh!

Bring a song and a smile for the banjo
Better get while the gettin's good
Hitch a ride to the end of the highway
Where the neons turn to wood.

[CHORUS]

Ooh!

You can ponder perpetual motion,
Fix your mind on a crystal day,
Always time for a good conversation,
There's an ear for what you say.

[CHORUS]

Yeah!

Ooh!

Catch a ride to the end of the highway
And we'll meet by the big red tree,
There's a place up ahead and I'm goin'
Come along, come along with me.

[CHORUS]

Yeah!

There was a song the morning before, Sat Morn. I heard this song as well. May the words bring you comfort.

As Sung by Cat Stevens
lyrics by Eleanor Farjeon

Morning has broken, like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken, like the first bird
Praise for the singing, praise for the morning
Praise for the springing fresh from the word

Sweet the rain's new fall, sunlit from heaven
Like the first dewfall, on the first grass
Praise for the sweetness of the wet garden
Sprung in completeness where his feet pass

Mine is the sunlight, mine is the morning
Born of the one light, Eden saw play
Praise with elation, praise every morning
God's recreation of the new day

The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day. Proverbs 4:18

Daniel 12:3 "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac...d=23410940


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New Heart

His Creation, which exists on many levels or frequencies (vibratory rates). If you are not familiar with the fact that everything "vibrates", then this will make no sense. This present 3d universe is ASCENDING into the 4th and 5th dimension, that's what the end of the age is all about. When earth reunites with heaven, but it is a gradual process that is about to make a quantum leap. This is what we are all waiting for my friend.

These 2 ten-minute videos might help you to understand this:

Part 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STa5AChf7_4

Part 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeb3HWyxR8&NR=1

Well, for one thing, Jesus spoke in parables. (I can come up with more examples if you wish.) The one about the Prodigal Son is the subject of a very interesting book.....

http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Prodigal-S...0978526104

Also, I don't think it's a radical idea for the earth to be reunited with heaven. I think we all KNOW that Eden was a much different kind of place than we live in now. It's about the RETURN TO EDEN, pretty basic stuff, I think. The question is HOW? The Bible was written in away to try to help our mere human minds in their presently unplugged condition to understand it. But believe me, the people who actually wrote under inspiration knew what it meant. That's what Paul was referring to when he said that all creation is presently "groaning together" until it reaches its final destination. Sounds like something is EVOLVING to me.

Love,
Jimmy C.

Hi PS

Re: "...videos might help you to understand this:

Having watched the videos....my response is: I have been aware of most of the presented information for about thirty years. There is a mixing of scientific observations and fantasy...imo. The video presentation describes our Heavenly Father as impersonal.

The presentation offers solution to humanity's condition that excludes worship of our Father in spirit and truth by means of our Redeemer Jesus Christ.....

By the way...fear can be a very good thing....try climbing a rock face one thousand feet above something harder than air (especially if one is uncomfortable/has fear of/with height...grin.

Imo, Prodigal Son, you are currently on a slippy slope that leads away from (the real definition of) spirituality....which is listening to our Fathers instruction to listen and have/put complete faith in our Lord Jesus.

gogh

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Hi prodgial Son.

I have found your viewpoint interesting. Been thinking about a few things you have shared.

Paul was referring to the sons of God being revealed, more like a birthing instead of evolving I think.

So I was wondering, if man is to grow into a new 'vibration' of existence, what is the point of Jesus return?

Sincerely
Lynn

New Heart,

Thanks for sharing those songs. I enjoyed the message in them.

:heartbeat:
Lynn

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