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fear Porn,, I wonder if that is going to be copy writed..

as for scripture about tribulation and troubles armegedon and the holy ones being surrounded.

while I believe we may be inbetween I really doubt it is all behind us.

it is biblical weather or not one wants to believe it.

Sounds like some want to have their ears tickled.

Thou Our Father is love he lays out the consequence of our actions and does not save us from them. No need for the bible or Jesus at all if we did not need to repent and listen to him and him alone

ablebodiedman Wrote:
We keep hoping for a new heavens and a new earth and yet there does seem to be a formula in the scriptures which indicates that we need to actively participate in something before the hoped for blessings actually start to happen.

Compare these scriptures:


Isaiah 60:1
1 “Arise, O woman, shed forth light, for your light has come and upon you the very glory of Jehovah has shone forth. 2 For, look! darkness itself will cover the earth, and thick gloom the national groups; but upon you Jehovah will shine forth, and upon you his own glory will be seen. 3 And nations will certainly go to your light, and kings to the brightness of your shining forth.


The question which begs to be answered after reading the above scripture is;... ....... shed forth what light?

There is a kind of formula which explains this "light shed forth" mentioned in this scripture:


Isaiah 58:6
“Is not this the fast that I choose? To loosen the fetters of wickedness, to release the bands of the yoke bar, and to send away the crushed ones free, and that YOU people should tear in two every yoke bar? 7 Is it not the dividing of your bread out to the hungry one, and that you should bring the afflicted, homeless people into [your] house? That, in case you should see someone naked, you must cover him, and that you should not hide yourself from your own flesh? 8 “In that case your light would break forth just like the dawn; and speedily would recuperation spring up for you. And before you your righteousness would certainly walk; the very glory of Jehovah would be your rear guard. 9 In that case you would call, and Jehovah himself would answer; you would cry for help, and he would say, ‘Here I am!’


Now compare it to a scripture in Malachi:


Malachi 3:10
Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse, that there may come to be food in my house; and test me out, please, in this respect,” Jehovah of armies has said, “whether I shall not open to YOU people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon YOU a blessing until there is no more want.”


In my opinion Christians are waiting around for a new heaven and a new earth however, if we really do want a new heaven and a new earth the scriptures seem to indicate that we need to do something in order to realize the new heaven and the new earth.

I think as Christians we should be living our lives in a completely different way than the rest of the world or nations live their lives.

and then:


upon you Jehovah will shine forth


In Christ


abe


This is what we need to do...we need to write to the Governing Body, and tell them this....

Malachi 3:10
Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse, that there may come to be food in my house; and test me out, please, in this respect,” Jehovah of armies has said, “whether I shall not open to YOU people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon YOU a blessing until there is no more want

For a long time...I have been pulled in my heart by the holy Spirit to write to them and say the above. Do you think God wants them to horde all those riches, at this great hour of need? Why are they not selling what they have, and feeding the poor? I believe this will be the final test, to see if they will listen, and repent, so that they will receive a blessing. So we need to warn them now of this...if they listen, then they will be forgiven.

Is it not the dividing of your bread out to the hungry one, and that you should bring the afflicted, homeless people into [your] house? That, in case you should see someone naked, you must cover him, and that you should not hide yourself from your own flesh? 8 “In that case your light would break forth just like the dawn; and speedily would recuperation spring up for you. And before you your righteousness would certainly walk; the very glory of Jehovah would be your rear guard. 9 In that case you would call, and Jehovah himself would answer; you would cry for help, and he would say, ‘Here I am!’ [/i]


How can we put on our heavenly bodies if we are walking around naked? when we see others naked and unclothed and in need, we are seeing ourselves naked, because we are one.

in case you should see someone naked, you must cover him, and that you should not hide yourself from your own flesh? These poor and in need are "us".

For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 2 cor. 5:4

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, 16 so that each one may be paid back according to what he has done while in the body, whether good or evil. 2 cor 5:10


If we allow others to be naked while we have much, then we are also naked. In order for change to happen, we must be the change...we must do something, because when we neglect the poor and those homeless, we are neglecting ourselves, and are naked too, and we do not want to be found naked when Christ arrives to judge. For the WTS to be be reconciled to God, they must put off outward appearances, because this makes them naked.

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New Heart

Hi New Heart

Re: "This is what we need to do...we need to write..."

The "we" word can be dangerous, imo.

Is it appropriate to speak for others?

I think not!...imo...grin.

Christian love,

gogh
Td

I am really enjoying your thoughts.

I agree the road ahead is prophecied to be hard, as should be expected. We are walking in his footsteps and he said it would not be easy.

I think it can be taken as easy when someone simply says walk in love. Yes the command is simple but the journey is hard. It is not easy to walk in love, to do and say what we must. Trusting him that if we obey he will never leave our side.

He in fact teaches us the real meaning of love, one which this world has no idea of. I think your are correct in saying Abe, we are in effect swimming upstream. Jesus spoke that his diciples would be identified by their love, so they would definately stand out.

To enter the new heavens and earth, we have to walk in love, Which involves all the qualities of Christ.

Love
Lynn
New Heart,

If your heart compells you to tell them that message, sister do not hold back.

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Lynn

observant Wrote:
I think it can be taken as easy when someone simply says walk in love. Yes the command is simple but the journey is hard. It is not easy to walk in love, to do and say what we must. Trusting him that if we obey he will never leave our side.

Love
Lynn


AMEN to that, Lynn!

It's not for nothing that our Lord said:

"If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me." -- Matthew 16:24 (NASB)

Those words alone should tell us what sort of journey we should expect. It's way beyond the words spouted by New Age philosophers. The rewards, however, are also beyond words.

"More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith..." -- Philippians 3:8-9 (NASB)

Good thread, sis:thumbsup:

Rez

New Heart Wrote:
For a long time...I have been pulled in my heart by the holy Spirit to write to them and say the above.


I agree, if the Holy Spirit is wishing you to write to the GB and share that - then be obedient.

gogh Wrote:
Hi New Heart

Re: "This is what we need to do...we need to write..."

The "we" word can be dangerous, imo.

Is it appropriate to speak for others?

I think not!...imo...grin.

Christian love,

gogh


sorry..I will write. I am imperfect still.

gogh Wrote:
Hi New Heart

Re: "This is what we need to do...we need to write..."

The "we" word can be dangerous, imo.

Is it appropriate to speak for others?

I think not!...imo...grin.

Christian love,

gogh



gogh,

The "we" can be an extraordinary blessing.


2nd Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brothers, continue to rejoice, to be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and of peace will be with YOU.


New Heart,

If you want me to collaborate with you then let me know.

Ezekiel 22:1
And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 2 “And as for you, O son of man, will you judge, will you judge the bloodguilty city and certainly cause her to know all her detestable things?



In Christ

abe

Re: "I am imperfect still."

This is how I see it as well..

Therefore...

Still, I am imperfect.

I am still imperfect.

Imperfect I am, still.

Imperfect still, I am.

(autism is rearing it's ugly head...grin)
Hugs New Heart. :love:

We are all imperfect.

Of Our Lord It was Said.

" though being a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. And being perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him"

Take heart, he showed us the way.

You are loved sis.
Lynn

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We are all imperfect.

Of Our Lord It was Said.

" though being a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. And being perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him"


Just a small :2cents: for those who may struggle to understand this point.

Absolutely, Jesus learned something through his suffering. Everybody can learn, whether they are perfect or imperfect.

The phrase "being perfected", although it may make some think that this means that Jesus wasn't perfect as a man, the Greek word "telios" that is used in perfected, would better be translated: completed. It's the same word that Jesus used when dying. "It is finished".

Jesus' suffering completed him, or brought him to maturity. It made him perfectly (or completely) qualified to lead us to our Father.

love,
Rez

I guess we won't be collaborating anytime soon!

Can you really imagine the world in general turning to love voluntarily? Or can you imagine the down-hill trend suddenly reversing and people bringing the kingdom of God about by virtue of their own spiritual efforts.

Did Jesus die to cover our transgressions for nothing? Or just for peoples of the past, before a future time when we make a radical change in our ways and become perfect through sheer will power. Even if we were to meet halfway and say that it would be the result of a combination of sheer will power and holy spirit, it flies in the face of scripture's indication that the nature of people would be very imperfect in the last days.

I think the new age stuff sounds lovely but has no grounding in either scripture or the common observation of life. It's wishful thinking. The enforcement of worship of the cosmic Christ could only come about through the enforcement of secular law for its own ends rather than universal acceptance from the heart. Perhaps a global version of Constantine's enforcement of Christendom for the success of his empire.


I completely agree with you, Brendan. The New Age movement teaches that we are all becoming God and will change the world from the BOTTOM up.. and we all slowing learn to love volunteerily. But this is wishful thinking. Like you said..

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The enforcement of worship of the cosmic Christ could only come about through the enforcement of secular law for its own ends rather than universal acceptance from the heart.


With the nation of Isreal, when they had a good king, the nation got peaceful and the people responded with honest, good works. And likewise, when the King was bad.. the nation became corrupt and depressed in every way. The change must come from the TOP down. We need a wonderful, honest, good leader, full of wisdom, (MICHAEL the prince of peace), to bring all the nations to peace and happiness. I think he has a presence before the actual revealing where he separates hearts and draws ones lovingly to his side, by persuasive truths. Others are repulsed by him and align themselves with the Beast. So the rule of Christ is by no means a situation where he says.. "I'm here, and it's my way or the highway", as the witnesses surmise.. But rather a loving persuasion over time.. But there will come a day when the revealing of Christ as well as the white throne judgement will put ones who are rebellious, 'outside the city with the dogs, etc.' (not sure what that means exactly) The Witnesses teach it's final death.. but it appears that they will live outside of the holy city in disfavor and perhaps die then of old age..

comments?

Comments?

Isaih 1:26
And I will bring back again judges for you as at the first, and counselors for you as at the start. After this you will be called City of Righteousness, Faithful Town. 27 With justice Zion herself will be redeemed, and those returning of her, with righteousness. 28 And the crash of revolters and that of sinful ones will be at the same time, and those leaving Jehovah will come to their finish.



In Christ


abe
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