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Folks.

I'm leaving the board. I realised yesterday I am a hypocrite, or will be if I stay here.

I am angry with BethalBoy and now Justin being confined to the controvesy room, and yet I have, at times, found myself agreeing with similar sanctions against other posters.

I realise this is because of my own bias and belief.


I realise that, things that I feel are horribly blasphamous, are not seen as such to some people, just as what some people see as worthy of being confined or banned over, do not bother me much.

The problem is, we ask people to be "Christian" yet do not agree as to what constitutes Christian belief. I find anyone speaking of the Holy Spirit as an "it" anti-Christian, or people insulting "christendom" as anti-God, but other people don't (thats only an example)

I can't explain all this very well, and I love the people on this board very much.

There's a lot I want to say and I keep writing it and deleting it. So I'm giving up.

My prayer for everyone is that you all find a good church and a good fellowship (there are many out there) Christian theology has endured for two thousand years and Jesus' church is still advancing. Despite many people trying to re-write theology (especially in the last couple of hundred years - note, theology has never needed restoring, the church needs a lot of work to make her the bride she is called to be, but her theology does not need fixing. God has kept that constant just as He has kept the bible as it should be) it has endured.

I have a last post to write on another thread and then I'm logging off.

Shalom. God is good.

:crybaby::cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby::cry::crybaby::cry:

I wholeheartedly agree with you my dear sister in the faith. I will soon follow. Please keep in touch, perhaps on facebook. PM me sometime.

In Christ,
John

I hope you will reconsider,Sis Malkah.

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore

I agree with you that proper theology and how we view the Holy Spirit are vitally important. Many people are trying to re-invent the wheel theologically, and they sometimes do so under the guise of "I'm still searching for Truth." Well I'm not searching for truth, I've found Truth, His name is Jesus. And I know that you've found Him too! So walk in his truth and listen to him! ::thumbsup::

My prayers are with you.

Dearest Malkah ...

You must do as your conscience and heart are urging you ... :)

But if in the future they lead you back to us here, if only to stop in and say hello, then please know that you will be warmly welcomed as you always have been! :heartbeat::friends::hug:

In peace and love and wishing you all the best from one sis to another ... BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Hey Malkah. I hope you know that I agree with 80 or 90% of your theology which is why I feel it would be a loss to the board if you leave, however I also agree with BR when she said `you must do as your conscience and heart are urging you`.

That said we are all hypocrites. That doesn't mean God doesn't want you to stay. Gods forgiveness is fresh every morning. You are where you are right now! The real Christian position is that love is above doctrine. The thing about that is with the correct positioning, priority's and doctrine and all other things begin to fall into their correct place.

The apostle Peter said that if all others left Christ he would not. Then of course he denied Jesus three times. Think of that, one of the twelve that changed history was a complete hypocrite to Christs face in a way much worse than any here. He then said `I go be a fisherman`. He decided to leave trying to follow Jesus`s teachings and take up his life where he left it off, before he met Jesus, as a rather unsuccessful fisherman. Then Jesus after being resurrected, which was the theme of the day, found Peter on a beach in the exact same way it had been when Jesus originally called Peter to serve the kingdom. After talking to him about love and feeding sheep as opposed to correct doctrine, despite him being a hypocrite Jesus recommission's Peter for the work of serving others and the kingdom interests. Is there a parallel here to how your feeling concerning yourself and the sheep here?

In terms of correct doctrine its a bit like gravity. Gravity is of all the fundamental forces in nature the strangest one. It is the weakest force of them all. A sneeze can overcome to who planets gravity on the feather. The atomic force in comparison is much stronger. Gravity unlike the other forces although weak has no distance limitation. As one goes gets further away from an object, the strength of gravity goes down with distance but never to zero no matter how far away one is. There is always an affect. Correct doctrine is like that. Its a weak force in that people often don`t notice or completely miss it. However its mere presence often affects people without them even noticing. The more gravity the quicker the affect. The nearer the gravitational object is, the more fundamental the affect will be. You Malkah are one such gravitational object! If you leave the force will weaken although it will not ever be gone.

The mystery of gravity being correct doctrine is the question of where the force comes from. No one knows the source of gravity in science, its a mystery. However that mystery has been solved when it comes to the force of correct doctrine. It is generated by love.

All doctrine descends from loves principles. There are no exceptions. Love is like a foreign language with strange grammar. As people gradually learn it, they get the sentence structures wrong. They misspell words and sometimes insult or hurt people by accidentally writing things they shouldn't, or by placing the wrong emphasis on something. As people practice this new language its produces better and better results over a long time period of learning. The practice itself inevitably causes frustrations and friction of spirit. Its normal and to be expected. In the end all speak from the same song sheet. If though frustration become stronger than the patience in learning the new language, unison of correct doctrine will never be achieved. Love is over doctrine!

If you leave Malkah your gravity will mean that the oneness in Christ will take longer for the rest of us to achieve. A soler system is messy things when it first starts to form and take millions of years. Things crash and smash and its looks like a hopeless mess. Looks are deceptive though. In the end if we wait long enough, order becomes visible eventually creating heavenly bodies orbiting around the sun, or should I say `the son`. A galaxy is an even more messy and difficult affair but that too, in an even longer period of time, results in much more unity orbiting around something that no one can define. A super massive black hole of infinite density that doesn't obey the laws of physics and defies understanding. A good metaphor for the Father.

You can do more good by staying than by leaving, but if you need to leave I understand. It will all work out Malkah as difficult as it seems sometimes. Thats what resurrection is all about, God built order into chaos. It always wins ultimately. Takes along time but not quite as long if you stay. Love will show what to do.

Dear Malkah,

I do not in any way consider you as a hypocrite. Not at all. But it seems as though your conscience is moving you so I won't argue with your decision. For that I applaud you. Conscience is of utmost importance.

If you consider us as friends then I hope you will look in on us from time to time and say hello and tell us how you're doing, as friends do.:cheekkiss:

Love you lots, and thank you for serving as a moderating voice on the PC.

Rez:siskiss:

Hi Malkah,
I shall be very sorry to see you go. I believe you are right in what you say. I do not believe Wayne or Justin should be confined to the Controversy section.

I found on another forum I could not conscientiously remain as a moderator so I resign as a moderator but stayed on the forum as a member.

Is it possible for you to stay here as an ordinary member rather than a Facilitator member?

God bless you sister
In Christ
Derek

Malkah,

You have my love.

Lynn

Good day sis ish::hibye:

Your insights will be missed. Who else will feed us our much needed kosher christian feasts???:eat:

Much Love and Prayers for you, your hubby, your babies and ALL:grouphug::heartbeat:
sis
p.s. hypocrite:confused:

Ish ... you are one of my sisters in Christ. :giverose:

We are all just dust ... all hypocrites to more or lesser degrees on any given day... we stumble and offend and step on toes and backslide without even trying.

But I sincerely believe our 'heart condition' means more to Jesus than say... the correct pronunciation of his name... or who or who doesnt hold whatever as sacred as we believe they should.

Thankfully he his above all that and accepts us for who and what we are ... his children.

You are our sister and your love for our Lord is most evident ... stay and continue to share that love you have with us. :hug:

Hello there.

I'm Malkah's husband, Binyamin.

I just wanted to explain a couple of things. I know Mal really likes this site and the people here, but she's going through some junk at the moment and is a bit touchy. She says she had a go at someone on another thread and is upset. If any of you know my wife then you know she's careful with her words and tries never to get upset or offended, she likes to try and empathise with the person, and to understand why they've said what they've said. Believe me, I wouldn't be where I am now if she couldn't do this.

But she's extra sensitive at the moment, and letting the littliest thing upset her. I don't know how much she's told you about herself (I'm betting its a lot because she can't shut up most of the time) but she's struggled with severe eating disorders since she was about 19 - recently she can't seem to get it into her head that she has any worth at all. That cuts me up because God doesn't agree, but she can't seem to get a handle on it. Normally she's fairly good at realising that if what she thinks and what God thinks don't tally, what she thinks is wrong.

I'm not going to go into further details because she'll probably slaughter me just for coming here and saying this, but she's not herself at the moment. Whatever excuse she came up with (yeah, she knows theology is important but its not important enough to come between her and people she cares for.) isn't the whole story. I think she's doing her usual pre-empting herself, censoring herself before she starts saying junk that might hurt people. (I know its laughable, I've been married to the daft mare for twelve years and even at her most miserable she still helps me.) Is that okay guys?

Binyamin.

(Mal, when you read this as you will when you lurk, I love you okay. Please don't stop making my tea for saying any of this. You always say I don't talk enough. Look, half a page of me talking. Isn't that good?)

Hi and greetings Binyamin.

It is a pleasure to meet you.

Thank you for your expressions. Please, may yourself, Malkah and family be comforted with scripture:

Phillipians 4:4...

"Keep on rejoicing in the Lord at all times. I will say it again: Keep on rejoicing!
Let your forbearing spirit be known to all people. The Lord is near:
Never worry about anything, but in every situation let your petitions be made known to God in prayers and requests, with thanksgiving.

Then God's peace, which goes far beyond anything we can imagine, will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus."


May our Lord Jesus watch over all.

Christian love and appreciation,

gogh

:rofl:Oh, Binyamin, you made me laugh out loud. I hope Malkah won't stop making your tea either.:shocked:

:heartbeat:Malkah....don't stop making Binyamin's tea. He loves you!:heartbeat:

I want you to know that we here at Paradise Cafe just love Malkah to bits. If she needs a break to de-stress and sort things out then that's the proper thing to do.

When she's well rested (does that happen?) we sure hope she returns.

Thanks, bro, for coming here and letting us know how things are. And, BTW, you are welcome to visit us too.:thumbup:

love,
Rez:siskiss:(holy kiss)