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Hey Sister Acts!! :clap:


Hows it going mate? :thumbsup:

I agree with what you have written. I tend to think that even the darkest of souls during "Adam's" reign will have a first chance at life in resurrection -- I think that Jesus' sacrifice was good enough to cover everything until that point. Otherwise...what was really the point?

Who really knows what humanity would look like existing fully, in its true potential as Children of God, in full alignment with the Universe in chorus with our Lord and our Father?

Something tells me, that given the right conditions - both externally and internally - a person who can appreciate both the dark AND the Light - would ALWAYS choose the Light!


Cheers sister!! Good to "see" you again! :funnyface::giverose::happyheart::friends:

Hello dear sis - I'm afraid you misunderstood what I said - I don't "hate anyone" - and I definitely wasn't referring to any WT article! :no:
I was actually thinking of this:
Proverbs 6:16 There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
20 My son, observe the commandment of your father
And do not forsake the teaching of your mother;
21 Bind them continually on your heart;
Tie them around your neck.
22 When you walk about, they will guide you;
When you sleep, they will watch over you;
And when you awake, they will talk to you.
23 For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching is light;
And reproofs for discipline are the way of life

I don't judge anyone. I don't even like to hear anyone say, "they'll get theirs in the end", since that in itself is a judgment to destruction. I particularly hate to hear anyone say someone is "going to hell". Yes, there are some things I do hate, but not people - who knows what repentance lies in the hearts of men? :yes: I have a lot of hope in that regard!

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Well said Beau :thumbup:

To focus our energy on being pro-Christ rather than anti-watchtower results in the greater good.

As others have commented, there are many fine hearts among Jehovahs Witnesses, therefore I am not anti-Jehovahs witness. I too am not ashamed to be a witness for Jehovah and our Lord Jesus.

I am anti-WT ORG., the leadership and corporate entity.

I second your support for Jims position. To be consumed with the negative enslaves us to it.

Understandably though this does pose quite a challenge when we or our loved ones have suffered much.

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Hi Willa, :hibye:

I never imagined for a second that you would hate anyone. :heartbeat: I've never read anything in your posts which sounds judgmental or acts superior at-all.

But I've heard that phrase "ok to hate what God hates" used so many times to justify hatred and worse of "lost souls" (not the way you intended at-all) and it scares me the way devious souls (not you! not you!) twist good words from the scriptures into devilish things.

It's just that the scripture you mentioned - Proverbs 6:16-19 - describes God as hating:

"the one spreading divisions..."

- those people who are causing divisions amongst brothers. We've all seen the trouble that divisions causes and I'm ever so pleased that our Father views it so badly, but to be honest I wonder if we - people I mean - have the self-control to hate even those without damaging ourselves. I am sickened by the actions which God hates too, but I wonder if it's best to leave the actual hatred feeling to the God Who can handle it - which is why I cited example of Michael in the Jude scripture - because I suspect, like me, that you're not very good at hating people at-all. I don't know anyone who is.

Christian love as always, :heartbeat:

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Good post. I have had a hard time in the past with the way I and family were treated before we left and especially after we left. While I did have a problem at first with some in the congregation, the majority of them I feel are very good people. The ones I had a problem with were the P.O. and his wife, and to this day I can not find it in my hear to forgive them for what they did to us, especially my wife. It has been very hard over the years for my wife since her brother and his wife "are" the two who pretty much ran us off.

It's a long story so to make it short my brother in laws wife decided she didn't want us in "her" congregation, and like many others is the past, she tried to run us off and get us to leave the area. It didn't work so we got more than the others did who eventually left. My bother in law use his position as the P.O. to try and get us DF'd after we went to the C.O. about the problems we were having. We had gone to him first, but he simply made excuses and did nothing, but try and put the blame for the problems we had with his wife on to us as he had done so many times in the past with others she had had problems with.

I have tired very hard to get along with him, but his wife is another story. The woman is just plain bad, and nothing I do can make me like her. I can get along with my wife's brother, I talk to him, and I have helped him many times over the years, but try as I have, I just can't forgive his wife!

I know that others in the congregation are good people, and have a good heart, they shun us because it's what they "think" they have to do to please Jehovah. I hold no grudge to any of them. It's their choice and if they want to let an organization tell them what to do, well that's between them and Jehovah.

I don't know if I can ever do what is right when it comes to my brother in laws wife, but I will keep trying! I am far from being perfect and this one thing holds me back more than anything else from doing more to accept what happened to us.

JWVACR,

I am all for studying the bible and becoming more knowlegeable however, it reaches a point where the things learned need to be practiced.

This is especially true if you are a saint.

I believe that a faithfull saint will engage in a battle against wickedness.

I learned that from the bible:

Revelation 17:14
These will battle with the Lamb, but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so].”

Those saints will have identified and judged wickedness.

What can be accomplished?

They will act and accomplish success.


Daniel 11
But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively.


You asked a good question: "what do we accomplish by being just anti-Jehovah's-Witnesses"?

By just being anti-Jehovah's Witness we accomplish nothing.

Something more is required than just being anti-Jehovah's Witnesses if the saints are going to prevail in a battle against wickedness (Satan and his weeds).


In Christ


abe