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e-magine Wrote:

This may sound a bit off topic, but its not. It applies to the question, who's name are we to be baptised in.
I think the WTS is largely to blame, but not totally, because they have promoted "Jehovah", as being God's name. The false Trinity doctrine is really at the root of this misunderstanding.

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Thats why, IMHO, that we are to be baptised in his "name", that is, his character and authority.

reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J84zSeKaD...re=related

admin, feel free to move this to a different thread if you want to. e-m

First of all e-magine, thank you for that material. I just happened to be looking for those very videos yesterday and couldn't locate them. So, huge thanks for that excellent link!

I don't think this needs to be moved, bro. And I second iso's sentiments.

Rez:siskiss:

New Heart Wrote:

e-magine Wrote:

Hi abe, Isn't the "public declaration" our witnessing about Jesus in daily life? The 2 questions are vows, but does God except them?
I thought we were told not to make vows?

Jesus gave a new commandment concerning vows. "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No ,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one" (Matthew 5:33-37).

The principle here is clear for Christians: do not make vows, either to the Lord or to one another. First, we are unable to know for sure whether we will be able to keep vows. The fact that we are prone to the errors in judgment which are part of our fallen nature means that we may make vows foolishly and/or because of immaturity.

Further, we donâ€™t know what the future will bringâ€”only God does. We donâ€™t know what will happen tomorrow (James 4:14), so to make a vow that we will do or not do something is foolish.

God is the one in control, not us, and He â€œworks all things together for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purposeâ€ (Romans 8:28).

Knowing this, we can see that it is unnecessary to make vows and indicates a lack of trust in Him. Finally, Jesus commands that our word be sufficient without making vows. When we say â€˜yesâ€™ or â€˜no,â€™ thatâ€™s exactly what we should mean. Adding vows or oaths to our words opens us up to the influence of Satan whose desire is to trap us and compromise our Christian testimony.

hi, sis new heart :hibye: as you see it, so i see it. :ok:

i think you covered it quite nicely :clap: and thoroughly. :thumbup:

New Heart Wrote:

Knowing this, we can see that it is unnecessary to make vows and indicates a lack of trust in Him. Finally, Jesus commands that our word be sufficient without making vows. When we say â€˜yesâ€™ or â€˜no,â€™ thatâ€™s exactly what we should mean. Adding vows or oaths to our words opens us up to the influence of Satan whose desire is to trap us and compromise our Christian testimony.

Good points NH. We were covering this topic as part of our bible reading on Saturday. One related scripture that ties in is found in Ecclesiastes 5:4-6,

"Whenever you vow a vow to God, do not hesitate to pay it, for there is no delight in the stupid ones. What you vow, pay. Better is it that you vow not than that you vow and do not pay. Do not allow your mouth to cause your flesh to sin, neither say before the angel that it was a mistake. Why should the [true] God become indignant on account of your voice and have to wreck the work of your hands?"

And, as usual, Jesus took this to another level.:giverose:

love,
rez:siskiss:

I couldn't agree more. The actual dunking is the afirmation that we are asking God for a clean conscience in the name of Jesus.

isomam Wrote:

hey, brother eeeeeee-magine :hibye: -------> :greatjob:

I,ll second that! :thumbsup:

Great job e-magine, very well put together, simple and easy to understand.

Getting a grasp on what you explained goes a long way in laying a strong foundation to futher build our understanding and relationship with our Heavenly Father and His Son upon.

Thanks Bro!
:friends:

e-magine Wrote:

I couldn't agree more. The actual dunking is the afirmation that we are asking God for a clean conscience in the name of Jesus.

e-magine,

So do we actually have to ask God for a clean conscience in the name of Jesus before we are baptized?

If we ask God, do we approach him using his name also, in the name of the father?

If I look around at other religions they all seem to have baptismal vows.

Some of the vows are said on behalf of the candidate by the parents and godparent when the candidate is a baby.

Later the baby can affirm these vows themselves when they reach the age of reason (young adulthood) in a ceremony called confirmation.

The Adventists have a list of 13 baptismal vows!

I also notice posters insisting that we should not say vows.

I wonder what did they say when they were married?

Is there a Christian Church that does not insist on baptismal vows?

Are there any ExJws that were baptized again, and if so, how?

In Christ

abe

Hi anja! :friends: Did your familly baptise each other? How did you do it? Thanks.

anjaandreas Wrote:

Dear Abe you say :
If we ask God, do we approach him using his name also, in the name of the father?

Anja says : well what do you think when you read John 16:26 ?

John16:26 In that day you will ask in my name; and I donâ€™t say to you, that I will pray to the Father for you.

Dear Abe you asked us : Are there any ExJws that were baptized again, and if so, how?

Yes there are ,one is talking to you right now.
Our whole family are baptized again in the name of Yeshua (Yah who saves ).
We did this before God and the angels in heaven who are our witness.
We are baptized in free waters, no church or Organization involved here.
We made no vows to men ,but to go before God to be immersed in the blood of his Son in whom,s name we believe that he is the one who saved us from sin.
That we are death for this world but rise again in Him into a new life ,that we receive a new heart to put on Messiah and to leave the old man behind ,this old man we leave him down in the water for now we are rissen again in messiah the moment we get up out of the water.

Finaly we are free from this world ,for we did go to him who saves .
For now we confess through this act in faith that we have believe in the name of the one who saves us.

For it is God who works in us (through his holy spirit) , both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
As Yeshua says it is clear to us now ,to hear his voice "come to me " Yeshua says ,and so we did !

Math 11:25 At that time, Yeshua answered, â€œI thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to infants. 11:26 Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight. 11:27 All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and he to whom the Son desires to reveal him.

11:28 â€œCome to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest. 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart; and you will find rest for your souls. 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.â€

Anja

Anja,

Thanks for your reply.

I can read John 16:26 however, Matthew 28:19-20 also is in the bible.

I am assuming that you did in fact use Jesus Christs name.

Did you use the Fathers name also as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28?

Or, like many people here do you believe that Jesus Christ did not say that?

Or, do you think that the Father and the Son have the same name?

In Christ

abe

Hi anja, Thanks for your personal story1 many times your words bring tears of joy to my eyes.

abe Bro, If you rethink the meaning of the word "name", it will easier to understand how the Father and the Son have the same "name".:friends:

e-magine Wrote:

e-magine,

Already discussed through a very long thread about the trinity, binity thing.

In Christ

abe

abe, Are you denying that the son is a God? If he is, then there are 2 Gods, The Father and the Son, there are no other.

Whew!:sweaty: I have spent the majority of this afternoon and evening reading this thread from the first page to the last, super interesting, could not break away!:post: And there isn't one thing I can add because it's all been said so well by so many.:greatjob: What a moving testimony of love and devotion, so much patience, so much intelligence and holy spirit moving in among you.:ok: I have to confess I was moved to tears.:cry: Thank you Willa:siskiss: for starting this and for the heartfelt comments, scriptures and youtube references.:groupwave: I pray that the efforts made to reach the hearts of a couple contributors here on this thread eventually hit their mark. :heartbeat::elf::

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