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Hi all,
Far from asserted, that science believes the processes that shaped our world and life were gradual, it is revealing more dramatically that sudden Earth changing events occurred.

Recent reports from scientists drilling into the KT extinction boundary layers in various locations on Earth have tended to confirm the extinction of the dinosaurs was sudden, even rapid (within a year) and highly likely due to a 15km diameter asteroid impact in what is now the Gulf of Mexico.

I believe mass extinctions have a place in the Creator's purpose to cause life to flower on our planet in a diverse 'biological palimpsest' that leaves the believer in Old Earth Creation in awe of the complexity of his work.
Derek
Hi Derek!
Other scenarios could also eradicate life on Earth. I have read, that polar shifts occur on a regular basis, like every 28 K years. If the currant human familly is only 8000 years old, + or -, 28 K sounds like a long time, thou we know it is not.
What would a polar shift do the the Earths crust?

e-magine Wrote:
Hi Derek!
Other scenarios could also eradicate life on Earth. I have read, that polar shifts occur on a regular basis, like every 28 K years. If the currant human familly is only 8000 years old, + or -, 28 K sounds like a long time, thou we know it is not.
What would a polar shift do the the Earths crust?


A polar shift could rock the entire earth out of its place.

Isaiah 13:13
That is why I shall cause heaven itself to become agitated, and the earth will rock out of its place at the fury of Jehovah of armies and at the day of his burning anger


There are some people who think that a polar shift would also cause the earth to reverse its rotation.

The sun would rise in the west.

If that happened we would see some really weird things.

Zechariah 14:7
And it must become one day that is known as belonging to Jehovah. It will not be day, neither will it be night; and it must occur [that] at evening time it will become light.

Haggai 2:6
“For this is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Yet once—it is a little while—and I am rocking the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry ground.

Psalm 18:7
And the earth began to shake and rock,
And the foundations of the mountains themselves became agitated,
And they kept shaking back and forth because he had been angered


Job 9:6-7
6 He is making the earth go quaking from its place,
So that its very pillars shudder.
7 He is saying to the sun that it should not shine forth,
And around stars he puts a seal,


Psalm 46:2-3
That is why we shall not fear, though the earth undergo change
And though the mountains totter into the heart of the vast sea;
3 Though its waters be boisterous, foam over,
Though the mountains rock at its uproar



Joel 3:15-16
Sun and moon themselves will certainly become dark, and the very stars will actually withdraw their brightness. 16 And out of Zion Jehovah himself will roar, and out of Jerusalem he will give forth his voice. And heaven and earth certainly will rock; but Jehovah will be a refuge for his people,


In Christ

abe

e-magine Wrote:
Hi Derek!
Other scenarios could also eradicate life on Earth. I have read, that polar shifts occur on a regular basis, like every 28 K years. If the currant human familly is only 8000 years old, + or -, 28 K sounds like a long time, thou we know it is not.
What would a polar shift do the the Earths crust?


Hi E-magine :hibye:

Do you mean the magnetic shifts? From what I recall, past ones have not had any recorded disasterous effect on the earth's crust, but they have affected the magnetism of rocks as they emanate from oceanic (and probably surface volcanic) fissures. Since they happen every 28K years, give or take a leap year, I would imagine that if they were likely to pull the earth apart they might have done so by now.

For those quaking, there are worse things to worry about. As for this, we have forever ahead of us, so why don't we wait and see?

Acts5v29

Hi Acts, e-magine and Abe,

Sister Acts you are referring to Earth's magnetic field reversals. These have been well documented by the 'rock record', particularly either side of the mid-Atlantic 'ridge', where a sedimentary mirror image 'tape' of the reversals has been demonstrated in the sea floor sedimentary rocks.

After very long periods of time the Earth's field changes polarity. During the process the field is anomalous but does not collapse completely, so life is protected to a certain extent from the sun's harmful radiation. Some think a reversal is overdue. As a person interested in migratory birds I do wonder how they continue to orientate themselves in this process because many use Earth's field. Perhaps the change is sufficiently gradual for them to adjust? Other creatures also use Earth's field and have to compensate.

Hi e-magine and Abe, I think what you were talking about was an actual dramatic change in the Earth's rotational axis?

Some think this has taken place, a very long, long, time ago, but there is very little evidence to support such changes occurring in this geological epoch.

I see one guy on the net believes this will happen in 2012! Frankly I think he's a nut!

If it did happen, it would indeed be terrible for Earth, man and Earth's creatures.

And, as some think, the Earth actually reversed its rotation on its axis, it would cause an horrendous catastrophe.
Imagine being rooted to the spot and being run down by a vast herd of infinitely heavy elephants, riding on frictionless roller skates! :)

Supertankers take miles to slow down, one would not have a hope in hell of stopping a continental plate.

Look what happened to Chile, South America cannot stop the Nasca Pacific plate and it is moving at c.7cms/year.

However, the axial equatorial speed of Earth is 25,000 miles in 24hours!!! Good grief, the oceans would come out of the sea basins and cause a global flood.

I have not read of any real evidence of axial mega changes occurring in c.28,000 year time scales, etc!?
There are of course the precessional changes that cycle slowly over similar time intervals to the ones you mentioned. See Wikipedia ..Milankovitch cycles, particularly where Earth' axial tilt to the plane of rotation around the Sun gradually changes...it takes c.26,000 years.

blessings to you
Derek
Hi Deric, I was refering to a Magnetic shift, an axle shift would tear apart the planet for sure.
But without our magnetic field protecting us from solar radiation, even for a short time, how would life survive?

If we have had magnetic shifts in the past, did any life survive?
Remember folks, our current tenure is a mere 7000 years!
Hi e-magine,
Your dead right on axial changes.

On Magnetic reversals; apparently the field does not completely collapse during reversals, but is not as 'ordered' as it is normally.
So the Earth is still protected to some extent from the Sun's radiation.

e-magine Wrote:
Hi Deric, I was refering to a Magnetic shift, an axle shift would tear apart the planet for sure.
But without our magnetic field protecting us from solar radiation, even for a short time, how would life survive?

If we have had magnetic shifts in the past, did any life survive?
Remember folks, our current tenure is a mere 7000 years!

Derek Wrote:
Hi Acts, e-magine and Abe,

Sister Acts you are referring to Earth's magnetic field reversals.


Spot on Derek, my mistake. I couldn't be sure if that was the subject - the notion of a transition of the earth's rotational axis is so extreme that I didn't think that was the topic.

Best wishes as always,


Acts5v29

Derek Wrote:
Recent reports from scientists drilling into the KT extinction boundary layers in various locations on Earth have tended to confirm the extinction of the dinosaurs was sudden, even rapid (within a year) and highly likely due to a 15km diameter asteroid impact in what is now the Gulf of Mexico.


Wow... about a year. Funny, that's also about how long the Flood lasted...

What WILL they come up next? :coffeeread:

Hi Int,
I expected that! :)

BTW I see you are not using ESP but PPE....pseudo perceptual extrapolation! :) ;)

Interpretum Wrote:

Derek Wrote:
Recent reports from scientists drilling into the KT extinction boundary layers in various locations on Earth have tended to confirm the extinction of the dinosaurs was sudden, even rapid (within a year) and highly likely due to a 15km diameter asteroid impact in what is now the Gulf of Mexico.


Wow... about a year. Funny, that's also about how long the Flood lasted...

What WILL they come up next? :coffeeread:

You love that word, "pseudo"... don't ya, Derek. :D

You do realize that a whole bunch of the stuff scientists talk about smacks of "pseudo" science. Quite apart from "macro-evolution" (the biggest pseudoscience of all, that has infiltrated all areas of "science") have you seen the amount of quackery in your average New Scientist magazine?

Yes, I know... that's "popular" science... but it still kind of represents scientists. I'd be willing to suggest to you that perhaps 75% of the contents of a New Scientist magazine will be viewed as "pseudo-science" in 30-50 years time.
Hi Int,
It will not be worrying me in 30-50 years time! :)

Interpretum Wrote:
You love that word, "pseudo"... don't ya, Derek. :D
I'll have to have a look in my thesaurus? :)


You do realize that a whole bunch of the stuff scientists talk about smacks of "pseudo" science. Quite apart from "macro-evolution" (the biggest pseudoscience of all, that has infiltrated all areas of "science") have you seen the amount of quackery in your average New Scientist magazine?

Yes, I know... that's "popular" science... but it still kind of represents scientists. I'd be willing to suggest to you that perhaps 75% of the contents of a New Scientist magazine will be viewed as "pseudo-science" in 30-50 years time.

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