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Prodigal Son Wrote:

Ozymandias Wrote:
...every group has both good and bad, now in our case what will we be, will we allow the bad to consume us and focus on harping on all the negative, or will we like Christ focus on good, and yes when badness presents itself expose it, but not be about it.


Exactly!

The way I see it, the Watchtower "faith" is so weak and pretentious, because it is based on a Golden Calf, a man-made object. An Organization. So, the leadership is bent on excommunicating and completely cutting off ANY threat to the weak and timid sheep who have very little faith based on a personal relationship with God. They feel that they must keep the congregation "clean" and "undefiled", but yet it's ok for them to throw people's lives into turmoil with false prophecy after false prophecy, lie after lie, delusion after delusion, claiming to be God's "sole channel" but yet they reproach Him immensely by portraying Him as a God who is clueless to His own prophecies and constantly waffles on His own standards!

Would it not be a much more inviting place if they were really much more like the hated "Christendom", where they teach you right from wrong but the rest is up to YOU. You ain't fooling anybody if you want to live a double life, and cutting you off from friends and family is NOT the merciful way to deal with someone bent on sinning. Only LOVE can help them, and disfellowshipping, shunning people is the opposite of love. It is downright SATANIC!

Pharisees on steroids!

Peace,
Jimmy C.


DO THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES THAT COME TO YOUR DOOR SEEM NICE?

"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme ~ active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest all those who oppose the organization." Watchtower, 10/1/52, p.599.
"If a Jehovah's Witness joins another religion, an announcement is made to the congregation to stop associating with him." Watchtower, 10/15/1986 p.31.
Jehovah's Witnesses are to hate people who do bad. Watchtower, 7/15/61, p.420.
"a disfellowshiped relative who does not live in the same home, contact with him is also kept to what is absolutely necessary ... even curtailed completely if at all possible." Watchtower, 7/15/1963, p. 443
(This Watchtower article (mentioned above) is saying "even ones own mother or Father!)
"They [former members] are to be hated "in the sense of avoiding them as we would poison or a poisonous snake." Watchtower, 6/15/80, p.8.
"in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person." Watchtower, 7/15/1961, p. 420
In this regard Jehovah's Witnesses can be considered a "hate group" fully guilty of hate crimes. Jesus did not teach hate. Instead he said "you must LOVE your enemies." He never taught His followers to "hate the person," "hate in the truest sense," consider anyone as "loathsome, odious, filthy" or to "detest" anyone. These things are not taught by Jesus Christ. These things are taught only by the cults (by the Watchtower Society).
The difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and true Christianity is shockingly obvious. Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say `Hello' or `Goodby' to [the Disfellowshipped person]. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him." (The Watchtower March 1st 1952 Issue, Page 141)
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"We must hate (the Disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider (the Disfellowshipped person) as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." (The Watchtower October 1st 1952 Issue, Page 599)
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"In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?"

"We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."

"The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law
of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings" dealings with such apostates under the same roof."

..if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped."

"If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences."

"Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would with such apostates under the same roof." or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped."

"...to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person - no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: "If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah's sanctified nation]." (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping."



Notice above, how the spirit behind the Watchtower tries to cause total divisions of households just because a husband or a wife chooses to attend a different denomination other than theirs.” Talk about bondage.” They are a cult in my opinion. The meaning of the word, “ Apostate litterly means that the person called an apostate has a “divine curse on them! This is actually going against the teaching of ‘not condemning someone. We are to judge others,(In fairness and honesty, but never to condemn them wholesale like this. What is each thing did a person do to warrant such ‘hate.’ The cults just don’t get it.” Leaving any pastor, or congregation, or congregation, or denomination (or organization) because of false teaching is not synonymous with leaving Jesus Christ, (Rev. 3:20).
"The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man's law and God's law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the

Comment: You would think they would be talking about a mass murderer here.”
The sad truth is, they are not. They don’t follow the example given to us by Jesus Christ in “The Prodigal son, (showing love to those who have become weak in their faith.) In my opinion, their teachings are enough to make anyone want to.. ‘run.’ The spirit behind the WT spews hate to keep their cult members in line.



I know a Christian woman who I met in a JW chat room years ago. She was ministering to this 16 year old teen age boy. The young man was relating to my friend how his mother was giving him such a very bad time about him getting on line and studying the bible, with a non JW. The mother kept threatening him.



My friend told me that one day she answered the door bell and there stood the young man at her door with nothing but a suit case in his hand. Instead of his mother showing him how to defend the cults teachings, she made him get her address and put him on a Gray Hound and the rest is history. She said she felt so sorry for him. He lived and with her and her family for a couple years, finishing High Sch. there and joined the service.

I still have her email address.



Christians on the other hand, remember how the prodigal son’s Father ‘ran’ to his son when he saw him on the road. Yet the spirit behind the WT wants to make a person (who has ‘repented,) humble them selves for some times weeks! During this time, no one is allowed to speak to the one who has returned (in true repentance.) Being humiliated like that. How sad.



“What a cult." Thank about it. All a Jehovah Witness would need to do, is just say, "Hey, I have been worshiping elsewhere, ” and for this,... the family members are taught to despise and or hate their family member.

If the family members chose to continue to show love and affection to the family member (who displayed their ‘freedom’ in Christ,) they could be disfellow shipped themselves!.”‘



Rev. 3:20 does not say one first needs to be looked down on by all the congregation for a week or two until the “elders” say it’s ok, to speak to the one who had… “already” repented in his heart before he or she even came back to the congregation.” That’s why the person ‘came back’ because he (or she) had humbled themselves and came back to the fold! That is a classic example of how cults 'program' you.


InChrist

Bangalore Wrote:
Here is a copy of a recent letter sent to Bodies of elders regarding disfellowshipped relatives. It was posted by a poster at the JWN board.

January 21, 2010

TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS

Re: Qualifications of appointed persons in conjunction with disfellowshipped relatives

Dear Brothers:

The Bible tells us that we are not to fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation. (1 Cor. 5:9-13; 2 John 9-11) Elders, ministerial servants, and regular pioneers should set an example in their dealings with disfellowshipped family members. (lv pp. 207-209)
What responsibility does the body of elders have if a person in such an appointed position allows a disfellowshipped immediate family member to move into the home?

The body of elders should review the qualifications of any appointed person who permits such a situation. (w88 3/1 p. 24 par. 5; w81 9/15 p. 29 pars. 16-17) It may be that the disfellowshipped relative is physically or emotionally ill and unable to care for himself. Or dire circumstances may exist so that a failure to provide assistance might result in disastrous consequences and even bring reproach on the congregation. In such circumstances, the appointed person may have felt there was no other recourse than to allow the family member to move into the home. The attitude of the disfellowshipped relative should also be considered. Has he ‘come to his senses’? (Luke 15:17-19) Has he abandoned his sinful course? Or is he still engaged in serious wrongdoing? In
carefully considering these and other relevant factors, the elders may determine that the appointed person is still exemplary, holds the respect of the congregation, and qualifies to continue serving.

On the other hand, if the circumstances raise serious questions and the appointed person has lost the respect of the congregation, the elders may determine that it would be best for the appointed person to relinquish his privilege of service. As long as the unfavorable situation in the home exists, the person would no longer be used in any exemplary capacity. Since this may be disheartening to the individual, the elders should confirm their love for him and help him to appreciate that he is needed in the congregation. (w90 9/1 pp. 22-23 pars. 18-20) Of course, if the situation changes and the reason for the deletion no longer exists, it may be that the person will once again be able to enjoy privileges of service in the congregation.

Be assured of our prayers for Jehovah’s continued blessing as you extend yourselves in behalf of the brotherhood. We send our warm Christian love.

Your brothers,

cc: Traveling overseers

PS to secretary:

This letter should be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters. You may wish to update the congregation copy of Index to Letters—For Bodies of Elders (S-22) at this time as well.

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore


Well I agree the elders and MS's should be setting a good example, but not on this issue. I know an elder right now who has let his son come back to live with them after being kicked out of their home when he was 17. While I think the son is a dead beat, he is their son and he had no place else to go since he could not keep a job.

Now I also know elders and MS's who drink, party and have alcohol problems. I also know elders wives who do the same, and some who have prescription drug addictions. There are also 3 elders I know, two are related and one I worked with, who have been cheating on their income taxes for at least 20 years, the time I have known them. I also know an elder who has had debt problems and had those problems when his father in law promoted him to the position of elder, which I always thought would have disqualified him from ever becoming an elder and probably would have if his father in law had not been the P.O.!

So in my opinion there are a lot worse things an appointed person could do that would set a bad example than simply taking in a relative who had been DF'd or DA'd and had no place else to go.

Andy

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