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...possibilities are as endless as ones imagination...(as long as ones imagination aligns with our Great Imaginator)...grin.

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The good news is: our Lord will return soon, and we'll have answers to many things. We'll have a proper version of the Bible, which will be nice -= no more arguing over translations (yippee!!)

[color=#000080]I suppose, like the apostles before Jesus pushed a child in front of them, we could keep pressing our points, but why? Yes, it might make us feel great when our Lord arrives and he declares exactly what we've been saying, so we can punch the air and say:

"Yes! There, I was right all along"

but more likely we'll all be wrong and have spent our lives polishing our own lost cause - we're human, we should know that. So much easier I feel, and peaceful and fitting with walking with our Lord to listen to him and his Father instead.

I love your spirit Interpretum et al.:thumbup:

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Yes Acts,
Interpretum does have a touch of Don Quixote about him!
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Really, does anything really matter at all, SW?
Lets all smoke the weed and think peaceful thoughts and watch the tide come in. :)

When things stop mattering to me it will be time to screw down the lid!:)

couldn't agree with you more Brother.

"When things stop mattering to me it will be time to screw down the lid"

but the all important question is???

what matters?
for some it is Money for others it is fame and for many others it is an enormous host of things.

I think it is why he had hope that some would seek the kingdom first!!

so many things become a distraction from what really matters.

to see just a glimpse of it is a blessing is it not.

how to be part of the solution and be a good worker for the Father is what matters most it seems to me at this point. But this line of thought only comes with year after year of seeking and never stopping. I guess I am a slowwwww learner

I'll be happy the punch the air and say: FINALLY! Someone is actually telling me what REALLY happened rather than all this embellishment conjured to prove someone's wishful belief! Sometimes I wish I was Beau, already living in the Kingdom. Sometimes I wish I was ignorant of the lies. Sometimes I wish I didn't have a brain :funnyface::funnyface::funnyface:

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I'll be happy the punch the air and say: FINALLY! Someone is actually telling me what REALLY happened rather than all this embellishment conjured to prove someone's wishful belief! Sometimes I wish I was Beau, already living in the Kingdom. Sometimes I wish I was ignorant of the lies. Sometimes I wish I didn't have a brain.

Hi SW,
I think a post must have been deleted!
I really seem to have missed a great event.
Did someone really say what actually happened?

If they did, they must have a hot line to God like the F&DS and I'm all ears! :)

Maybe the catholics were right and you're stuck in limbo ;)

Hi isomam

Funny, I didn't see the question as a red herring at all. Perhaps I am questioning your consistency, though. After all, when God gave Noah seven days before he brought the Flood (Gen 7:4), do you take that length of time as literal or allegorical?

It's your prerogative to see a question as a red herring, I'm simply asking a question about consistency.

(It's like the quesion Jesus asked of the Pharisees, about the baptism from John. Damned if you do, damned if you don't... darn Jesus' sneaky red herring questions, eh?)

But I already know the real reason it's hard for you. It's because Science trumps Scripture for ya... and that Science determines the meaning of "day one" etc for you, because they (Science) say it's impossible.

Perhaps so-called red herrings are really just... umm... good questions :D

So a simple question... Do you take Noah's "seven days" in Gen 7:4 as literal, or not?

Hey, I'll even go first. I view it as literal, because of (a) context: God was giving Noah a limited time period.. before he would flood the world 40 ages... I mean, days and nights, and (b) this account, like Gen 1, is a historical narrative.

Wow, that was easy. Now you go ... this is FUN :cheer:

Hi Derek

I don't think you get it, Derek. Jesus simply created the loaves to be eaten, not picked apart by scientists.

But then you're basically saying, "Not so with the Universe!" Well, hang on a minute... up until 100 years ago we couldn't pick the Universe apart, either. It wasn't built to be picked apart, it was built to be lived in.

Just like the loaves were designed to be eaten.

But IF... IF we could have transported it in time to today, and picked the loaf apart scientifically, it would probably demonstrate age... a false age.

Up until 100 years ago, the same was true of our Universe as was true of the loaves. We couldn't pick it apart, we just lived in it.

The Big Bang theory didn't even exist, and by the way, just because it's become the dominant theory of our age, doesn't automatically make it true. You do realize most of it is pure speculation, don't you? You do realize just how many laws of physics and chemistry it violates, I hope?

Anyway, you seem to think the loaves and the Universe are two completely different things. They are not. Both were created for a purpose. The loaf for eating, and the Universe for inhabiting.

Both, when created, would have a false appearance of age to us.

Well, I know you have not seriously considered alternative viewpoints (apart perhaps from perusing a couple of creationist sites), so I understand why you'd have this belief.

It concerns me that so many Christians have compromised to the point where evolution is now the main doctrine taught in schools, in the media, and even by the Catholic Church... and that this is simply one step away from athiesm. I know more than a few people who believed in OEC, and are now athiests.

Of course I would, because you are not... I'm guessing... God :D

However, when God created the plants, flowers and trees... there is no indication He just created a bunch of seeds. He probably created them fully grown, just as He created Adam fully grown, and not as a primeval sludge up to 4.6 billion years ago.

Well, there is plenty of evidence to contradict that the Universe or Earth is excessively old... and even many things which place an actual limit on the age of the Earth measured in no more than a few million years at most. Of course, you will have to research that yourself, which you won't.

Anyway, Derek... I guess neither of us are going to convince the other, so in the words of Don Quixote ...

... well, I don't know any Don Quixote sayings. Ah well :thumbup:

one quick hit and run.


WHAT IF GOD created all the materials. or "elements"

over a long period and assembled them in a short one?
would the elements "building blocks" be considerd creation?
or would the final product?

And do you know, TD, you've explained how the "big bang" could be so without violating the laws of physics: that the matter need not have been squashed into a tiny speck, but had already been created - the "bang" was the creative spark necessary to enable the universe to have it's outward motion from the centre.

Nice point! :thumbup:

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Hi InterP

Re: "...just as He created Adam fully grown,"

Might I ask what basis you make this statement?

Might it be that if Adam was created, let's say, a young boy....this could not fit within your picture/interpretation... that within the same day (24 hrs (human hours...grin)... he would have also realized he was without a mate...(of course this was after naming all the animals...afternoonish?).

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Hi Gogh,
I wonder what Adam made of God creating the Tyrannosaurus Rex? He probably offered it a bunch of grapes when it came up to him to be stroked and given a name. :)

Then there is the navel issue! Without navels, Adam and Eve would have nothing to contemplate! ;)

Hi sister Acts,
Apparently, initially, there wasn't any physics to violate!
Derek