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No we don`t believe in the same thing i`m afraid.

C'mon Jesh. Would I disown any of my own kids for speculating the phenomena of the universe? The "beware of independent thinking" addage doesn't apply here. Only when you insist on telling others what they need to believe.

As for your beliefs, to me they're only a stage of personal investigation .. a speculation of thought. What I'm trying to tell you is, it's been thought before. In other words, you're entitled to your present speculations. Just take a word from the wise (not just me) and don't get so hung up about it you can't separate fact from fiction.

And not that there isn't truth in fiction. Atlantis might be a real place. It just may have paralleled the world before the flood (with a few added speculations of its authors). Who really knows? Just because we have a proliferation of new-age philosophers, doesn't mean we're evolving. We're just being led along by higher minds that don't necessarily have our interests at heart. Need I say more?

Luff and fluff,

sw

Hi Derek

Yet the WTS (who gave you Old Earth Creation, remember) would also have you believe we've been in the "seventh day", God's day of rest... up until now. So is God resting or isn't He? :shocked:

Point conceded :thumbsup:

Yes, I should not speak so dogmatically about "how God did it". I wasn't there either.

We simply have God's record to go on. He tells us how He did it, it's up to us to figure out what He means.

However, I'm still fascinated by your apparently strong belief that orthodox Science can tell us what happened.

I'm curious... what does orthodox Science tell us about how God's spirit moved to and fro on the surface of the waters?

What is the current scientific viewpoint on the nature of God's spirit?

The difference is, orthodox Science is trying to explain it all without God... so it is only ever going to be right up to a point.

Genesis 1 tells us that God's spirit was doing something to the waters... but do you think orthodox Science will even tell you WHAT God's spirit is... it's nature?

I await with baited breath the issue of Nature or New Scientist that tells me, Derek. :D

That is why I take orthodox Science with a pinch of salt. Just as they have no clue about God's spirit, why do you take them to be the last and definitive word on both the nature of the Universe... and even how OLD it is?

Scientists who tell me about the Universe are like ants in a shoebox. They can fire a rocket to get it to the next shoelace... but I'm not going to trust them to tell me WHY the shoebox is there, what's OUTSIDE the shoebox.

I prefer to listen to someone who can see the big picture. That someone is God.

He says He created the universe in 6 periods of evening and morning that he called days... "day one", "second day", "third day", "evening and morning".

Pardon me for believing someone outside of the shoebox... who actually created the shoebox... and not the pathetic ants within the shoebox that only discovered flight 100 or so years ago :D

Hi Interpretum,
You wrote:
Yet the WTS (who gave you Old Earth Creation, remember) would also have you believe we've been in the "seventh day", God's day of rest... up until now. So is God resting or isn't He? Shocked

I learned my lesson a long time ago and had a fresh look at everything and put WTS dogmatism on one side!

I do not see WT OEC, as any more credible than YEC.
God doesn't work in intermittent bursts, he's been actively working throughout time, creating new and anew and diversifying available matter and then diversifying living organisms.

It would be a rash scientist indeed, who said he knew the parameters of God's Spirit...no one knows, in heaven or on earth.

peace to you, brother
Derek

Rash indeed, for a scientist, or a theologian, to be dogmatic in this day and age!

Hi Derek

You say: "It would be a rash scientist indeed, who said he knew the parameters of God's Spirit..."

Yet you make this statement: "God doesn't work in intermittent bursts,"

People have been known to "work in intermittent burst". People are created in YHVH's image. How do you know YHVH does not "work in intermittent burst"...(according to a humans definition of time)?

(My view of creation does not fit within two views often expressed....(young earth as opposed to old earth)....my view is outside those two views...(don't ask me to explain it...grin)

Christian love

gogh

Come on bro -- now you have to explain it!!!!! :D:D:D

Hi Gogh,
I am referring to the words of Jesus:

My Father has kept working until now and I keep working.

God is not a man to grow weary.

The glacier shaping the fjord in ages ago Norway, is just as much God's finger in action as the one that shaped the two tablets.
The rain that falls and causes the plants to grow is God's work.

We didn't create the physics that make life possible, laws that continue to work to keep the universe and life in existence.

The sustainer of life does not take his spirit away from mankind or we would all expire.

WCL
Derek

Hi Beau,
Gogh is using irony on me.:)
I deserved it, but I am surprised, I thought these guys didn't have such an arrow in their 'quiver'! :);)
Derek

Re: "Gogh is using irony on me."

I'm relived.

I'm thankful you did not say: "Gogh is being sardonic."

:drinking: