IF it saves lives in the now or in the future Great.
ON the same token thou if we new an earth quake is about to happen unless we have a proven track
record with people then it is only good for the person who dreamt it. people do not seem to make a
habit of jumping when someone they don't know decides to give predictions. And to further that even
Our Father allowed himself to be tested on occasion when predictions were involved.
and I find it odd when people predict things and constantly remind others of it. if it did actually help anyone
I am sure that people would be more then happy to come forward with a testimony of how the "prophecy" had helped
them in thier lives.
and to the contrary like an org.. that we are familiar with they sure as heck do not remind people when they were wrong..
So again what good does it actually do?? not the possible good or the unkown good?
I have heard the testimony of some people about miracles and such. That is proof for me that it helped. at least it strengthened someones faith even if it wasn't a true miracle it becomes one. because the miracle of trust and faith starts to grow.
But any random prediction or random prophecy seems to be just that random.
TotalDismay,
Here is a prophecy about prophecy:
John 16:12
12 “I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present. 13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.
and he will declare to YOU the things coming.
Thats probably the best reason not to treat prophesy with contempt.
It will make a difference!
In Christ
abe
and he will declare to YOU the things coming.
Thats probably the best reason not to treat prophesy with contempt.
It will make a difference!
In Christ
abe
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (New International Version)
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
In Christ,
sw
Actually that is an interesting scripture when placed next to this one?
Act 16:16 Once, as we were on our way to prayer, a slave girl met us who had a spirit of prediction and made a large profit for her owners by fortune-telling.
Act 16:17 As she followed Paul and us she cried out, "These men are the slaves of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation."
Act 16:18 And she did this for many days. But Paul was greatly aggravated, and turning to the spirit, said, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out right away.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (New International Version)
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
To these contradict?
Actually that is an interesting scripture when placed next to this one?
Act 16:16 Once, as we were on our way to prayer, a slave girl met us who had a spirit of prediction and made a large profit for her owners by fortune-telling.
Act 16:17 As she followed Paul and us she cried out, "These men are the slaves of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation."
Act 16:18 And she did this for many days. But Paul was greatly aggravated, and turning to the spirit, said, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out right away.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (New International Version)
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
To these contradict?
I think they coexist nicely since even the bad spirits predict what is true as was demonstrated in Acts. We should always consider the source. And if one is prophesying as God's prophet, there must be evidence that one is indeed a prophet of God, since otherwise, we would be, as TD put it, "jumping when someone they don't know decides to give predictions."
There are many examples of faithful men who waited to see an outcome before acting on a prophet's word ... especially someone who was not actually appointed a prophet (which Deut. seems to indicate). To this date, I see no heavenly evidence of such, and to date, there has been no one who has consistently predicted the future. Even if they could, and gained wealth on the stock market, is that evidence of God's spirit? Who rules the world anyway? We know what makes it go 'round. :dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar::dollar: :bigboss:
So if a prophet made a prophesy now and it was from God what would make you believe that to be the case?
That's just it.
IF I have faith do I need a miracle? or do I need a prophecy?
OR do I just need patience?
again what GOOD is prophecy.
Proof/belief is carnal while prophecy is for the spirit.
Spiritual eyes are eye's that see thru faith yes?
I agree with you because if your faith is perfect its no longer about `I` or what `I` want, but what others need. When it came to the resurrection of Jesus Thomas said he would not believe, unless his conditions for physical proof were met. A faulty premise to be sure when it comes to belief, but Jesus still gave it to him.
Faith trumps.
When does analysis of (so called prophetic) dreams become looking for "signs"? For what purpose have others looked for signs?
Mark 8:11...
"Here the Pharisees came out and started disputing with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven, to put him to the test. So he groaned deeply with his spirit, and said: “Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly I say, No sign will be given to this generation.†With that he left them, got aboard again, and went off to the opposite shore."
Matthew 12:38...
"Then as an answer to him some of the scribes and Pharisees said: “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.†In reply he said to them: “A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jo´nah the prophet.  For just as Jo´nah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.  Men of Nin´e·veh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it; because they repented at what Jo´nah preached, but, look! something more than Jo´nah is here."
It seems many have been obsessed with looking to/for signs.
John 2:18...
"Therefore, in answer, the Jews said to him: “What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?â€
Faith trumps.
:coffeeread:
Looking for signs? Well that would be none of us then! Book of Revelation anybody, `keep on the watch` anybody, what Christ said about the second coming anybody? :whistle:
That's just it.
IF I have faith do I need a miracle? or do I need a prophecy?
OR do I just need patience?
again what GOOD is prophecy.
Proof/belief is carnal while prophecy is for the spirit.
Spiritual eyes are eye's that see thru faith yes?
Whenever someone has spoken a prophetic word from God into my life, it has had an effect. If its a word from God it will change you. It will do something. If it is from God it will be powerful. I used to wonder why God sometimes uses another person to say something instead of saying it directly to the person it concerns, but now I know it is at least partly to do with keeping us relient on each-other, on being a body. It can also be a humbling experience, to recieve a prophecy or a word from someone younger than us or "less mature." It also helps us learn descernment.
I'll say it again, prophecy is not fortune telling. It is speaking out what God is saying, whether that is concerning nations or concerning individuals.
Looking for signs? Well that would be none of us then! Book of Revelation anybody, `keep on the watch` anybody, what Christ said about the second coming anybody? :whistle:
People look for signs when they don't know Jesus' voice. They desperately try to interpret events or biblical passages looking for patterns and hidden meanings. I can see signs when my husband's home, dirty boots by the door, crumbs in the kitchen - but that's not communication, that's not a relationship. If that was all I had of a husband I wouldn't actually have a husband at al.....
Or perhaps a sign can be a gift of flowers sent to you by your husband when he is away on some trip to let you know he is thinking about you.
Or perhaps a sign can be a gift of flowers sent to you by your husband when he is away on some trip to let you know he is thinking about you.
Yeah. Right. You don't know my hubby........:shocked:
I might get a phone call telling me to put dinner on.
LOL oh but your other husband in heaven i`m sure will send you those flowers.
That's just it.
IF I have faith do I need a miracle? or do I need a prophecy?
OR do I just need patience?
again what GOOD is prophecy.
Proof/belief is carnal while prophecy is for the spirit.
Spiritual eyes are eye's that see thru faith yes?
Precisely. Just think of all those stories like those of Job, where god-fearing, righteous men and women are given no premonition, no dream, no notice. Then—disaster! Are we to conclude that because no prophecy was spoken that God was unrighteous for not including the righteous into foreknowledge? Did Job ever get to know while he was suffering, why his calamity was so sudden—so profound? And did he collapse when reproved by the younger Elihu, who mediated and introduced God’s own reproof upon him?
Those were smaller times—a smaller people with a smaller history. We—by contrast, live in a very large and diverse world. Who are we to second guess a God who’s left us such extensive history? Disasters happen. People suffer and die the world over and we are still trying to fit God into some small cubicle of our lives. Yes, I include myself. But I also remind myself that nothing significant or earth-shaking will happen until first we prove our endurance in small things … how we treat Jesus’ brothers, if we are so presumptuous to even know who and where they all are. Do we even know that Jesus brothers are the most persecuted and abused in society? Do we know that even we might be among them?
When Christ returns with all of his angels. All the signs will be there. Will it matter to have foreknowledge? Or will it matter more that we were loving enough to treat our fellow in a godly way to be received home by our Lord and Master? While I have dreams, I try not to be so self-absorbed that I neglect the real world of my suffering fellows—the lowly, more deserving of God’s flock.
Love means endurance,
sw