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The Greek words seismos and seismoi are usually thought of as meaning earthquake and earthquakes, for the modern study of earthquakes is called seismology. Therefore, when Jesus was speaking about the signs of his being near and said one of the signs would be seismoi (Matthew 24:7), most have assumed that this referred just to a greater frequency of earthquakes (which we have in fact seen).

However, the Greek word seismos appears to actually refer to a shaking or disturbance, which doesn’t necessarily imply just earthquakes. For, Matthew used the word (at Matthew 8:24) to describe an agitated sea when Jesus was on a boat with his disciples. Then at 2 Kings 2:11, when the Prophet EliJah was taken into the sky in a flaming chariot, the word that was used (in the Septuagint) to describe the storm that took him, was once again seismos. So, Jesus’ use of the word at Matthew 24:7 implies more than just earthquakes. It could imply a plethora of natural wind and water disasters, such as the earth has also recently experienced.

Also, seismos could be translated as turmoil or unrest. So, could Jesus have implied even more than natural disasters in that single word? The signs of our times would indicate this is probably so.

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Tie in the Revelation shake-ups like Rev. 11 and we see they do not have to be literal earthquakes like Haiti, but something that shakes the establishment to the core.

Thanks for the info, Jim. I agree that seismos can mean more than just earthquakes. I'm not convinced in the "composite sign" theory, that these were even meant to be viewed as "signs". Also, Jesus didn't talk about an increase in seismos. That is something we tend to read into the passage.

When Jesus said there would be food shortages, earthquakes, wars, and pestilence etc, ever stop to think that all these problems are man caused events – except earthquakes?

But ever wonder why Jesus would give a list of problems that are obviously man caused, along with a non man caused problem such as earthquakes?

Consider that mankind has technology that can create earthquakes, and that the Haiti earthquake - along with many of the majors starting in the late 20th century – have been man caused and that’s why Jesus mentions earthquakes in with the other man caused problems he predicted the earth would experience, because he knew that mankind would figure out how to manipulate and weaponize even the earth’s natural systems – even the weather – using Tesla based HAARP technology.

The topic of “scalar” earthquakes – and the difference in the recorded wave patterns on seismographs from normal “seismic” earthquakes – is well worth the time to checkout.

Here’s a brief primer link worth reading. A Google on “Haiti earthquake scalar” will bring up a number of sites by people who watch this sort of weird stuff.

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/201...ar-weapon/


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That's a very interesting observation, vee-ray. I tried googling "Haiti earthquake scalar" and got only two hits. One was a site for donations and the other one is LVL39. It's kinda hard to navigate. I'll try again without the quotes. Well hey, that's better.

I remember the speculation around the big tsunami that was thought by some to be caused by man. I also believe that a tsunami (tidal wave) would also qualify as a seismos.

cheers,:drinking:
Rez

Thanks, Jim, for putting up that info. Very helpful indeed!

Rez:giverose:

Any disturbance of earth, water or air is a seismos.

This is interesting about forecasting tsunamis.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/connect...795653.htm

Rez:coffeeread:

Post number #16 link

Can this be verified? :readthis:

Also, someone told me yesterday that there are large oil deposits in Haiti. Rumor or what?

If these various seismoses (what IS the plural?) are man made then that sheds a huge light on end time prophesy, does it not?

Rez::huh:

PS...edited to include: I just Googled Haiti oil reserves and got this many hits:

Haiti oil reserves

Noooo pleeease don't let this be true! Creating natural disasters in order to punish or to gain oiil rights? That would be so horrific.

Acts5v29

Hi all,
Majority scientific opinion would say Haiti is sandwiched between two plate boundaries with the plates moving in opposite directions.
This is indisputable, unless one is into a flat earth. :)

And geology would show earthquakes in the area not to be a new feature, but part of a recurrent pattern.

One of the worst seismic events (a massive volcanic explosion) occurred in Europe 3,000 years ago and destroyed the Minoan civilisation by its tsunami. Again, there have been far worse events way back in the history of the planet.

I believe this statement of Jesus was not to be seen as specific to the end times, but an indication from him that we were not to think, wars and 'earth quakes' were a sign of the conclusion. He was merely pointing out the nature of the world in the 'in between' times, so we were not misled by calamity howling false prophets.
Derek

I hear you, bro! But if that were so, Derek, why would he bother to mention them? There's that thing about "pangs of distress" too.:huh:

I think this graph that was put up on the board (can't recall where) about the frequency of earthquakes is very startling. Check it out at the following link:

The Horizon Project - earthquakes

(just trying to figure it all out :P)

Rez;)

Perhaps you're both right.

Jesus details a number of signs (some to do with destruction of Jerusalem of course) but he ended by saying that

"this generation will by no means pass away until all of these things occur."

Perhaps he was saying that there would be no cure possible to wars and earthquakes - which clearly are monstrous geological events - until he returned in authority. He was about to leave his disciples - they knew he was about to die - but perhaps he was reassuring them that his death was no defeat, God's power in the Messiah was greater than the pain and disappointment to come, that the apostles' time and devotion and effort in following him was not wasted nor foolish nor futile, and that only his return would bring the change the whole earth - not merely Jerusalem and Jewish worship - needed.

Acts5v29

I think we might be getting it...

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"The ones having insight…" Daniel 12:3



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