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A theory on the identity of the “head as though slaughtered” – that comes back to life.

The following is based on the proposal that the “head as though slaughtered” was Nazi Germany, and that this head “got healed” (yet future) in that the next generation leadership of Nazism born after World War II have been operating behind the scenes with the old guard Nazis to perpetuate National Socialism – that one day rises again into a Fourth Reich that will attain the globalist oriented failed goals of the Third Reich.

When I first ran into this theory I thought it didn’t make good sense especially with my WT programming that said that this “head” was the failed League of Nations and that it later rose again in the form of the United Nations. But that theory never set well with me since the League of Nations never really amounted to anything to begin with, and it certainly was not “as though slaughtered” by what appears to me is an act of war or aggression - and not bureaucratic non support by the leaders of the nations at the time.

Having read extensively about the apparent work of Nazi leadership after the war to perpetuate themselves through global business and finance, having financed themselves with billions in stolen gold and art works during the war, the connectives with Revelation where nobody can buy or sell without the mark of the beast caused me to reconsider – since Revelation is describing an economic lock on the world – which points to powerful corporations having the global reach to accomplish such a lock. When one realizes the massive reach of the now global monopolistic corporations formed by the Nazis, it’s not difficult to see the economic possibilities in light of Revelation.

I’ve done a lot of reading on this idea, much of it from the works of Dennis L. Cuddy and Antony Sutton as well as other sources on the internet. Professor Sutton has written numerous books that make the connections with Wall Street bankers funding the Bolshevik Revolution that overthrew the Czar of Russia and ushered in Communism, which based on other reading, was the model for the coming beast image of Revelation, which I feel certain is having its real world outworking in the totalitarian global NWO machine - that I believe we are seeing unfold in real time right in front of us on the six o’clock news - via 9-11, the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, the global financial meltdown, etc.

Some will balk at this idea, and I present this only as an idea at this point, but the effectiveness of Satan’s global deception machine should cause us to maintain open minds. Dennis L. Cuddy has written a series of seven essays with the below link that are well worth the read. Cuddy has studied and written extensively regarding the whole “NWO” genre - the reality of which by now should be obvious to even the most jaded.

The Antony Sutton books will take a while to get through, but are also well worth the read as they provide empirical evidence (banking records, business/corporate interconnects, etc) of the activities of globalist financiers in the United States and Britain working with their financier counterparts in Europe to fund both sides of World War I and II, Korea, Vietnam, under the very effective mechanics of the Hegelian Dialectic. A good movie to watch for a quick primer on this topic is the movie based on the book The Boys From Brazil. In my opinion, the “movies” should be watched as very likely being insights into what the globalists are actually doing.

I hope this thread can be used to stimulate thought as to the possibilities and not become a forum for telling me that I’m another of "those" NWO crackpots – because I am already fully aware of that… :funnyface:

Dennis Cuddy link to The Power Elite and the Secret Nazi Plan
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis149.htm

Books by Antony Sutton (there are more)
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
The Federal Reserve Conspiracy
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones

v r


3 And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. Revelation 13:3

16 And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Revelation 13:16-17

While Jehovah had used many nations and peoples who lived around old Israel to make/do His prophecies (of OT ) ,
He had a clear vision/purpose where and when they (prophecies) will happen
He didn't took that secret, but revealed that to Daniel through a special Messenger/angel
Daniel 10
14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
-- thy people
-- in the latter days;
for the vision is yet for many days:

Jesus Christ , as One who said "Your word is truth" respected this "rule"

and never spoke anything what would confirmate some fulfilments of Daniel's prophecies in (within) world powers (empires) of His day , or before , or after His departure

BUT He aplied/ reffered to Daniel's prophecies with two occasions when speaking of the "signs" of the "latter days" which are "days' prior His coming ...Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:24.
and, of course , He related those prophetical passages to Jerusalem and the Temple , which both are part of "God's people" during the "latter days"

Jesus said He come to fulfill the prophecies - Matthew 5:17.
How do you think He will do, or is doing this - according to the way the men are "interpreting" them , or according to God's will ??

Revelation is a prophecy from Jesus , and Jesus had it from the Father,
and in no way should its fulfilment be "exception" from God's rule and will for its interpretation and fulfilment

Surely , if any of you really wants to find how is Jesus fulfilling God's prophecies regarding the "latter days" , then let him seek for their understanding according to God's will , as Jesus did !



in Christ,
rus v.

Hey Veritas:hibye:

Interesting subject. I have some ideas on the topic and might get geared up to get them down in print...one of these days:thinking:

Just thought you may like to have this little bit of info from the 62WT:

This is "old light" :rofl: which is why it may not sound familiar.:whistle:

Rez:siskiss:

Hi vr,

I cannot see anything wrong with looking to the world around us to see which way the wind is blowing. ‘Discerning the times we live in’, I would call it, or at least trying to. I was receiving Tomorrow’s World regularly last year and it places a lot of emphasis on the E.U. as a new Holy Roman Empire with a ‘resurgent’ (I think is the term they always use) Germany at its head.

My own opinion is that this world still has quite a way to go to have all the bits of the puzzle in position for the end times to come. But what do I know? So I watch the world, read what I can, and try to make educated guesses.

If you are willing to share more of what you have read, I would love to read it.

Regards,
Brendan.

I agree with you dear brother, its very wise to keep our eyes focused on current events, Jesus said to do just that. how else would we know our deliverence was getting near ?

I just wanted to say I feel that Rev 11:18 has more meaning to it then what meets the eye.

Revelation 11:18 (New International Version)

18The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your saints and those who reverence your name,
both small and great—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

What is cloud seeding? ( Link )

One does not hold back what Jehovah has given to the good and bad which is sun and rain.
Who but Satan's Kingdom would love to do away with Jehovahs seasons ?

Everything has been successful so far, now well see what damage the snow will do.

love susanna:grouphug:

to all
Please accept my apoligies for not sticking to the thread, to make up for the side track I may as well give my opinion.
Now these are my thoughts .

I feel we are now living thru the death stroke which took place in Oct 2008/ The whole world system would have collapsed had there not have been a bail out.

The WT society has had to use every event in history to support their 1914 LIE.
That's the reason for so many changes in a GENERATION. They have had to take events and fit it into what they were teaching, which would end up messing up the generation that would live to see it all.

We here will see it all, if Jah wills.
But the remaining ones that Jah choses and seals will see it all up to their resurrection.The whole book of Revelation is for us now, All pieces of the puzzle are in those chapters the idea , is to stay with that book and find any supporting scriptures in the New testament to back up your findings .( I say the new testament because we are accepting the new covenant, which Christ himself has introduced. This is going to be his ( Christ ) day/

also if we stick to today we will see the recovery from a long stroke which may have been death if action wasn't taken immediately ,It will also mean a change.
Its been documented that when a human has a serious stroke ,and recovers there's always a personality change, this is also what we are now seeing as she recovers.
Nothing will ever be the same. and why would it !
It is this healing that will be responsible for the death of the remaining ones of Christ bride making up the two witnesses.( holy ones or saints ).

The Good news is , as these events are taking place, we are assured Jehovah is permitting these things ,in order to carry out and full fill His prophecies.


Rev 13 is dealing with our time, I don't care what any worldly books say. Gods word has the final say/
We are now seeing and sharing the painstaking healing of the death stroke.

Revelation 13:6-7 (Amplified Bible)
6 And he opened his mouth to speak slanders against God, blaspheming His name and His abode, [even vilifying] those who live in heaven. 7 He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people (the saints) and to overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation

>>>>>

This has never taken place in past history . These are just my thoughts so I'm speaking only for myself
No visions, no dreams :heartbeat:

. BR described it beautifully, as I could really relate to a remark she made. which was
quote :
I was just thinking on something today and decided to let my fingers do some walking upon my keyboard ...

Love susanna :grouphug:

Bro Rus,

I agree!

The head that was slaughtered and yet came back to life is one of seven heads.

The scriptures make it clear that Jehovah does not care about the nations he considers them to be a drop in the bucket.

What Jehovah cares about is his kingdom!

The Book of Revelation is about his kingdom.

It has nothing to do with any national history.

The wild beast with seven heads is Jesus Christs kingdom in the last days before his imminent return.

It is the same kingdom he spoke about at the start of the Book of Revelation.

The seven congregations ARE the seven heads of the wild beast.

One of those congregations/heads was slaughtered and yet came back to life:

Revelation 3:1-3
1 “And to the angel of the congregation in Sar´dis write: These are the things that he says who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars, ‘I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your deeds fully performed before my God. 3 Therefore, continue mindful of how you have received and how you heard, and go on keeping [it], and repent. Certainly unless you wake up, I shall come as a thief, and you will not know at all at what hour I shall come upon you.

The congregation of Sardis was slaughtered; "but you are dead"

and then came back to life: "that were ready to die"

This is the sacred secret which has eluded many people for centuries.

The wild beast IS Jesus Christ's kingdom.


In Christ

abe

Quote:
What Jehovah cares about is his kingdom!

The Book of Revelation is about his kingdom.

It has nothing to do with any national history.

The wild beast with seven heads is Jesus Christs kingdom in the last days before his imminent return.
This is the sacred secret which has eluded many people for centuries.

The wild beast IS Jesus Christ's kingdom. End of quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry , but the scriptures disagree

the beast certainly is not Christ Kingdom, .Christ Kingdom would never be likened to a beast ?
Even Daniel likened the wild beasts to worldly world powers Dan 7 th Chapter

The Book of Revelation is dealing with the sons of God .The good wheat invaded by the weeds The book starts with Jesus inspecting the Temple of God ..

Cleaning out the weeds and exposing them We are seeing this done now. Rev 2:9 Rev3:9 2Thess 2:1-4
Keep in mind Satan planted these weeds along the wheat in the first century.They have been growing together all this time.

The wild beast is the last world Bibical power that received a death stroke and is healed.
Certainly Jehovah IS interested in this last beast because it will be thru this last Satanic Government (kingdom ) that will fulfill His purpose of its very existence..

HIs adopted sons death and their resurrection depends on this final world power
.Satan gives this last beast that is healed all his power plus his throne to rule in opposition to the coming Messianic Kingdom.
Revelation 13:1-2 (Amplified Bible)
]I stood on the sandy beach, I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns (diadems) and blasphemous titles (names) on his heads. 2 And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. And to him the dragon gave his [own] might and power and his [own] throne and great dominion.

>>>>> He ( satan )starts his world power rule as soon as he (Satan) is ousted from heaven, His goal is to attack the remaining ones of the bride before they can do their 3.5 yr ministry here on earth.

Revelation 12:17 (Amplified Bible)
17So then the dragon was furious (enraged) at the woman, and he went away to wage war on the remainder of her descendants--[on those] who obey God's commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ [and adhere to it and [a]bear witness to Him].



They must complete this 3.5 year ministry in order to fullfill prophecy. Satan knows this. that's why holy Spirit will protect them , until their work is finished.
Rev 11:6
Just like Jesus they will be raised to lfe for all to see them, then Christ comes down with a commanding voice and all the 144000 are gathered together with Christ into the heavens. 1 Thess 4 15-17

Revelation 11:3-13 (Contemporary English Version)
3 My two witnesses will wear sackcloth, while I let them preach for one thousand two hundred sixty days. 4 These two witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand in the presence of the Lord who rules the earth. 5 Any enemy who tries to harm them will be destroyed by the fire that comes out of their mouths. 6 They have the power to lock up the sky and to keep rain from falling while they are prophesying. And whenever they want to, they can turn water to blood and cause all kinds of terrible troubles on earth.

7 After the two witnesses have finished preaching God's message, the beast that lives in the deep pit will come up and fight against them. It will win the battle and kill them. 8Their bodies will be left lying in the streets of the same great city where their Lord was nailed to a cross. And that city is spiritually like the city of Sodom or the country of Egypt.

9For three and a half days the people of every nation, tribe, language, and race will stare at the bodies of these two witnesses and refuse to let them be buried. 10Everyone on earth will celebrate and be happy. They will give gifts to each other, because of what happened to the two prophets who caused them so much trouble. 11But three and a half days later, God will breathe life into their bodies. They will stand up, and everyone who sees them will be terrified.

12 The witnesses then heard a loud voice from heaven, saying, "Come up here." And while their enemies were watching, they were taken up to heaven in a cloud. 13At that same moment there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were frightened and praised the God who rules in heaven.

If you are using Bro Russell's volumes keep in mind that was then this is now, there was a lot he wrote a century ago, that he felt was right around the bend.

Not only that but Christ Jesus replaced Moses and never was there any one greater then Jesus , we should know we are not to put our trust in man

Bro Russell was given what Jehovah wanted him to give and that was our strong scriptural foundation .which makes us stand out as true Christains Any further knowledge is in Gods word.

Isnt Jesus the Word of God ? Just asking.

love susanna:grouphug:

Hello friends,

Well in trying to look at this death stroke from every angle, there is one other possiblity......could it be that when Jesus was here alive as our King the beast was given a blow? Was not God's kingdom beginning to grow and spread until Jesus was killed and then slowly the light faded and the death stroke was healed??

Digging

I find it very difficult to discount the seven heads being the seven congregations.

I have already shown that one of the seven congregations died and yet came back to life.

What about this other feature of the wild beasts heads:

Revelation 13:1
"but upon its heads blasphemous names. "

So are their blasphemous names found in the seven congregations?

Yes:

the sect of Nicolaus.
teaching of Balaam
that woman Jezebel
the synagogue of Satan

Also is there an eighth king who springs from the seven congregations:

Revelation 17:11
it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

Absolutely!

Revelation 2:13
‘I know where you are dwelling, that is, where the throne of Satan is

Satan!

and does this eight king (Satan) go off into destruction?

Yes!

Revelation 20:10
10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur


Now count the similarities:

1:- One of the congregations die and yet comes back to life
2:- There are blasphemous names amongst the seven congregations
3:- There is a king that springs from the seven congregations
4:- This same king is to be eventually destroyed

The main features described in scripture about the wild beast's seven heads can be also found in the scriptures describing the seven congregations!

Anyone who is in denial at the very least have to admit that it is an extraordinary coincidence!

I think scripture can be interpreted with scripture.

The similarities are far too overwhelming to treat it with indifference.

I think it is just too difficult for people to think that Jesus Christs kingdom could be so spectacularly undermined that it is actually being ruled by Satan immediately before Jesus Christ returns.

There is little doubt in my mind that Satan has already acheived this.

I think God allows this situation to continue for some time in order to set an example for future generations who will then shake their heads in dismay over what the current generation of people living on this planet has let happen to Jesus Christ's Kingdom.


2nd Thessalonians 2
11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.



In Christ

abe

There will be some people singing a very different song to what everyone else is singing:


1 “Give ear, O heavens, and let me speak;
And let the earth hear the sayings of my mouth.

2 My instruction will drip as the rain,
My saying will trickle as the dew,
As gentle rains upon grass
And as copious showers upon vegetation.

3 For I shall declare the name of Jehovah.
Do YOU attribute greatness to our God!

4 The Rock, perfect is his activity,
For all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice;
Righteous and upright is he.

5 They have acted ruinously on their own part;
They are not his children, the defect is their own.
A generation crooked and twisted!

6 Is it to Jehovah that YOU keep doing this way,
O people stupid and not wise?
Is he not your Father who has produced you,
He who made you and proceeded to give you stability?

7 Remember the days of old,
CONSIDER the years back from generation to generation;
Ask your father, and he can tell you;
Your old men, and they can say it to you.

8 When the Most High gave the nations an inheritance,
When he parted the sons of Adam from one another,
He proceeded to fix the boundary of the peoples
With regard for the number of the sons of Israel.

9 For Jehovah’s share is his people;
Jacob is the allotment that he inherits.

10 He came to find him in a wilderness land,
And in an empty, howling desert.
He began to encircle him, to take care of him,
To safeguard him as the pupil of his eye.

11 Just as an eagle stirs up its nest,
Hovers over its fledglings,
Spreads out its wings, takes them,
Carries them on its pinions,

12 Jehovah alone kept leading him,
And there was no foreign god along with him.

13 He kept making him ride upon earth’s high places,
So that he ate the produce of the field.
And he kept making him suck honey out of a crag,
And oil out of a flinty rock;

14 Butter of the herd and milk of the flock
Together with the fat of rams,
And male sheep, the breed of Ba´shan, and he-goats
Together with the kidney fat of wheat;
And the blood of the grape you kept drinking as wine.

15 When Jesh´u·run began to grow fat, then he kicked.
You have grown fat, you have become thick, you have become gorged.
So he forsook God, who made him,
And despised the Rock of his salvation.

16 They began inciting him to jealousy with strange gods;
With detestable things they kept offending him.

17 They went sacrificing to demons, not to God,
Gods whom they had not known,
New ones who recently came in,
With whom YOUR forefathers were not acquainted.

18 The Rock who fathered you, you proceeded to forget,
And you began to leave God out of memory, the One bringing you forth with childbirth pains.

19 When Jehovah saw it, then he came to disrespect them,
Because of the vexation his sons and his daughters gave.

20 So he said, ‘Let me conceal my face from them,
Let me see what their end will be afterward.
For they are a generation of perverseness,
Sons in whom there is no faithfulness.

21 They, for their part, have incited me to jealousy with what is no god;
They have vexed me with their vain idols;
And I, for my part, shall incite them to jealousy with what is no people;
With a stupid nation I shall offend them.

22 For a fire has been ignited in my anger
And it will burn down to She´ol, the lowest place,
And it will consume the earth and its produce
And will set ablaze the foundations of mountains.

23 I shall increase calamities upon them;
My arrows I shall spend upon them.

24 Exhausted from hunger they will be and eaten up by burning fever
And bitter destruction.
And the teeth of beasts I shall send upon them,
With the venom of reptiles of the dust.

25 Outdoors a sword will bereave them,
And indoors fright,
Of both young man and virgin,
Suckling together with gray-haired man.

26 I should have said: “I shall disperse them,
I will make the mention of them cease from mortal men,”

27 Were it not that I was afraid of vexation from the enemy,
That their adversaries might misconstrue it,
That they might say: “Our hand has proved superior,
And it was not Jehovah who worked all this out.”

28 For they are a nation on whom counsel perishes,
And among them there is no understanding.

29 O that they were wise! Then they would ponder over this.

They would consider their end afterward.

30 How could one pursue a thousand,
And two put ten thousand to flight?
Not unless their Rock had sold them
And Jehovah had surrendered them.

31 For their rock is not like our Rock,
Even our enemies being the ones to decide.

32 For their vine is from the vine of Sod´om
And from the terraces of Go·mor´rah.
Their grapes are grapes of poison,
Their clusters are bitter.

33 Their wine is the venom of big snakes
And the cruel poison of cobras.

34 Is it not laid up with me,
With a seal affixed to it in my storehouse?

35 Vengeance is mine, and retribution.

At the appointed time their foot will move unsteadily,
For the day of their disaster is near,
And the events in readiness for them do make haste.’

36 For Jehovah will judge his people
And he will feel regret over his servants,
Because he will see that support has disappeared
And there is only a helpless and worthless one.

37 And he will certainly say, ‘Where are their gods,
The rock in whom they sought refuge,

38 Who used to eat the fat of their sacrifices,
To drink the wine of their drink offerings?
Let them get up and help YOU.
Let them become a concealment place for YOU.

39 SEE now that I—I am he
And there are no gods together with me.
I put to death, and I make alive.
I have severely wounded, and I—I will heal,
And there is no one snatching out of my hand.

40 For I raise my hand to heaven [in an oath],
And I do say: “As I am alive to time indefinite,”

41 If I do indeed sharpen my glittering sword,
And my hand takes hold on judgment,
I will pay back vengeance to my adversaries
And render retribution to those who intensely hate me.

42 I shall intoxicate my arrows with blood,
While my sword will eat flesh,
With the blood of the slain and the captives,
With the heads of the leaders of the enemy.’

43 Be glad, YOU nations, with his people,
For he will avenge the blood of his servants,
And he will pay back vengeance to his adversaries
And will indeed make atonement for the ground of his people.”


In Christ

abe

Susanna,

Is it ok if I disagree and also take the time to explain why.

Here is the most fearsome beast in Daniel Chapter 7:


Daniel 7:7
7 “After this I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! a fourth beast, fearsome and terrible and unusually strong. And it had teeth of iron, big ones. It was devouring and crushing, and what was left it was treading down with its feet. And it was something different from all the [other] beasts that were prior to it, and it had ten horns.


Now compare this beast to a description of God`s Kingdom:


Micah 3
1 And I proceeded to say: “Hear, please, YOU heads of Jacob and YOU commanders of the house of Israel. (God`s Kingdom) Is it not YOUR business to know justice? 2 YOU haters of what is good and lovers of badness, tearing off their skin from people and their organism from off their bones; 3 YOU the ones who have also eaten the organism of my people, and have stripped their very skin from off them, and smashed to pieces their very bones, and crushed [them] to pieces like what is in a widemouthed pot and like flesh in the midst of a cooking pot. 4 At that time they will call to Jehovah for aid, but he will not answer them. And he will conceal his face from them in that time, according as they committed badness in their dealings.
5 “This is what Jehovah has said against the prophets that are causing my people to wander, that are biting with their teeth and that actually call out, ‘Peace!’ that, when anyone does not put [something] into their mouths, also actually sanctify war against him,


Do you see the similarites to the features of the last wild beast in Daniel Chapter 7 and the features of God`s kingdom described in Micah Chapter 3.


The last wild beast mentioned in Daniel Chapter 7 has 10 horns.

The wild beast in Revelation also has 10 horns.

Is it the same wild beast.

These horns represent kings.


How many kings should there be in that scripture mentioned in Micah Chapter 3.

Micah 3
Hear, please, YOU heads of Jacob and YOU commanders of the house of Israel.


How many horns does God`s Kingdom have.

Should be 12 sons of Jacob.

So if God`s Kingdom is being ruled by 10 sons of Jacob then what about the other 2 sons of Jacob.

Revelation 11
These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth.



In Christ


abe

Hi Abe,

Very interesting idea, I'd never heard the Beast refered to as God's Kingdom.
I do Have a couple of questions:
Who is the dragon that gives the beast its power? (vs2)
Who is the beast that comes out of the earth and made the inhabitants of the earth worship the first beast? (vs 11-17)
How does he deceive the inhabitants of the earth in vs14, and what is the image?
Finaly what would be the mark of vs 16-17?

Thanks for your consideration.

The Image of GOD is incorruption

The Image of the beast is corruption

Romans 1:22-24 (New American Standard Bible)

22(A)Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and (B)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [a]crawling creatures.

24Therefore ©God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (D)dishonored among them.


Christs brothers accomplish this
1 Corinthians 15:49
Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.