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Greetings Admin!! :clap:


Hows it going mates? :thumbsup:


Since Jesh's thread has been removed -- which was about an interpretation of Revelation -- can we please extend this to the WHOLE board and have ALL conspiracy theory threads outlawed, as they are all OVER-THE-TOP.

I realise that a lot of what Jeshurun has to share doesnt go down well here, and thats fine - but considering what was actually removed (an interpretation of Revelation) - lets remove or at least put a stop to, ALL "conspiracy" type interpretations of Revelation, too.


Thanks! :friends::friends::friends:

I dont like this censorship either. I know we are guests here and all but that is what a Controversy section is for right?

Please tell me if i am out of line here. I will humbly shut up. :thumbup:

Well, it can be "controversial", but it cant be "over-the-top" -- while I appreciate that there are things that should not be discussed on the board -- I think that there is a lot on here that IS "over-the-top"! :friends:

A quote:

"The main purpose, and spirit, of this discussion board, has been and will always continue to be, to upbuild one another in love and faith as we come closer in our relationship and understanding of our God Jehovah and his Son, Christ Jesus."

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=1846

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I totally agree. And I believe it is an admirable purpose to have.


My question is >

How exactly is this done with "conspiracy" theories? :dontknow:


I mean, a ruling, if setting a precedent, should set the bar for ALL other threads that also fall under the precedent, should they not? :friends:

Cheers mate! :friends::friends::friends:

Hi Beau-- :friends:

Is there another ''out there'' thread like Jeshuran's that you might be able to use as an example? I am trying to think of one that might compare... I actually find this board to be very liberal and non-censoring.

Hi Wolfie...:hibye::friends:


Well, I am just ranting a bit...I didnt really think that his thread was "out there", as e-magine pointed out, terminology can sometimes be said as one thing, when it really means something we use all along. I thought it was just one of MANY ways to interpret Revelation, as I truly do not believe that there is only ONE way to interpret Revelation.

I find the board to be very liberal and non-censoring too -- my main beef, if any, is that if "a" particular interpretation of Revelation is not "ok" for the controversy room, then what is exactly?

We readily accept that the "NWO" is all a part of Bible prophecy yada yada yada -- but is it? And why is that its ok to speak of it as established truth, when its only but ONE facet of reality? And is it actually happening?

But yeah, I love this board - its the only one that keeps me coming back for more - I dont want to disrupt the "peace", but I do want some continuity....if an interpretation of Revelation - even an "out there" one - is not ok, then what actually is ok?

Especially considering the best any of us can do, is give an interpretation?


Cheers matey!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Hi all,
Wolfie is one of the most tolerant and kind persons I've met on the net.
A significant line has been crossed when the tolerant take such a view.
I hesitated to comment on Jesh's thread but I personally believe Admin did the right thing.
I do not know Jesh.
But God help us if any of us lose touch with reality.
Derek

I think that THAT interpretation is more plausible then the crap we were fed in the Revelation Book.
Closing that thread was way too abrupt. In no way was it God dishonoring or discouraging! IMHO!

Hi Derek! :hibye::D


I agree -- Wolfie is pretty awesome, and if something doesnt sit with, for want of a better term, the "canaries" of the board, then obviously something has to be done, especially in line with not stumbling people. I have no problem with that.

And as I mentioned on Jeshuruns, I dont agree with everything he writes about - I dont really agree with everything anyone writes about really.

My point is, and perhaps there is no point to it, what exactly is an "ok" interpretation of Revelation, and what isnt?

I see a lot of Christians who have a heavy end-times bias, totally hooked on the "NWO" as being pivotal to their understanding and interpretation -- is that really ok?

And how exactly is and was this different to what Jesh wrote?

I would like to know, because frankly, its a bit like the discussion on Unitarianism versus Trinitarianism....2 self-imposed sides talking about EXACTLY the same thing.


And yes, God help anyone who loses touch with reality....but then lose touch with exactly WHO's reality? I lost touch with the reality of drug taking and promiscuity....sometimes losing touch with reality can be a good thing!


Cheers bro! :friends::friends::friends:

cheers matey to you too beau :love:

so much is about how things make us feel and if someone is asked Not to post certain material then I think that is what they should do--straight across the board no matter who it is. To do less than that is to be disrespectful to those who are doing the asking. I don't think it has to do with much more than that--if I posted things that was creepy to others --and was asked not to --I would stop--even if it felt harmless to me.

I don't think there is any interest here in anyone saying we can talk about this but not that but I do think in all things there are limits and there is a balance. If I posted things that others found spiritually uncomfortable I would feel I had exceeded my own boundaries and stepped onto theirs. I wouldn't want to do that and there is no advantage in doing that--some of what has been posted causes sadness to rise in me--and some of it gives me the creeps. I like Jesh too Beau but honestly do not feel much of what he brings to this board belongs on a Christian Discussion Forum and as he gets deeper into his studies feel more and more strongly about that--but that is just how I feel and for maybe the first time in these years we have all been traveling together feel strongly enough to vocalize it.

I don't and wouldn't want to disturb the peace of anyone either--but I don't think we are the ones doing that--

love you little brother-- :heartbeat:

I'm sorry I didn't get to read the thread in question, Beau. I wonder if it had a gnostic turn, as many of Jesh's posts do?

Lol at e-magine - the revelation book has nuthin' to do with this.... or anything for that matter!

Hi digital_punk

I'm not a moderator, so I don't know the precise reasons why it was pulled... but the way I see it, this forum is...

"A Place For Bible Research And Christian Encouragement"

Now, what if someone comes along and posts anti-Christian messages? What are the moderators to do?

For example, what if a Muslim came along and told us the Koran was the only way to God, and that the Bible was not reliable (except, conveniently, when it pointed to their prophet)?

Would that be "Christian Encouragement"? I'm not so sure.

I like Jeshurun... but his Gnostic beliefs are not compatible with the teachings of the Jesus Christ of the New Testament.

The Jesus Christ of the New Testament teaches us that he is the way, the truth and the life... Gnostics teach that we can be that - we don't really need Jesus.

This is not the teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles.

Jesh said in one of his posts that he supposes people would call him antichrist. Well, I wouldn't call him that... but if the apostle John (who coined the term) were around today, I do think he'd consider some of Jesh's views to have the spirit of anti-christ.

The Christian message is very simple:

Jesus Christ came in the flesh, died for our sins, and was resurrected as a guarantee to all men (and, of course, women!).

I think that John would say that anyone who contradicts and teaches against this basic message is "anti-christ".

In the 1st and 2nd centuries, there were many different Gnostic groups... but all of them had elements that somehow negated the key Christian message.

So we perhaps have to make a distinction.

We all have our own interpretations of things, but there are some things that surely can't be up for negotiation: that Jesus (a) came in the flesh, (b) died for our sins, and © was resurrected.

Now I can see why the early Church developed creeds :D

One of the earliest creeds is found in 1 Corinthians 15, that Paul recites:

"For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.
Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time." (1 Corinthians 15:3-8)

What happens when someone on this forum doesn't believe this?

Hey my awesome sis Wolfie!! :hibye::D


Sis, if I knew that you would be posting as beautifully as you are now, I think I might start more threads like this!...nah, just joking! :funnyface:

But seriously, I just think that THAT particular thread, wasnt really "out there" - I just thought of it as an interpretation of Revelation, but obviously a tipping point had been reached.

Ah well...:friends:

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Ok, I will admit -- and this goes to Jesh -- brother -- I so know what you mean, and I realise whats up - I know you arent lost, and I know that you are more focused and more in tune with God than ever before. I feel it in my bones - I felt the shift in your writing a few months ago.

One thing I know, is that when we learn new things and make correlations between different aspects of reality, we long and yearn to share them with others...I was like that when God was showing me about Universal Laws and Energy...it was AWESOME! And I think I raved on about it for some time.

But, there is a limit to what can be shared within a respective morphic field. I mean, I could write on and on about my understanding (which, is not really that good anyway) about Metaphysics and how it relates to Bible truth and the cohesion that I believe is intrinsic to how it all fits into reality - and sometimes I do - but all things considered, what I share needs to be tempered with the consideration of who is the weakest among us, which is hard sometimes, because of the nature of the internet - its hard to know where people really are, and what people can really handle.

So when we get told from a respective morphic field that what we are sharing is not resonating with the field - then we have two choices -- we either leave the field, or we resonate with the field. We can always find other avenues and ways to share our understandings and interpretations to other fields that do resonate with where we are and at the same time, we can express ourselves within the resonance of the field from which are.

I feel I am lucky in this regard, as my wife and I share exactly the same views on everything (to do with spirituality! :P), and I know that you have something that is similar.

In short, what I am saying is -- if you think that this field in particular isnt going to resonate with what you have to share, and are asked not to share things like that....then dont, bro. It forces the Law of Repulsion to come into action (the opposite to the Law of Attraction) and can result in expulsion from the field....I dont want that bro -- but that is just how "energy" works....I know you know this....


I wish that there was babel fish translator for posts....I think it would clear up a lot of misunderstandings.....I get you Jesh, I truly do -- hey, my wife and I are planning to take a trip to New York sometime....id love to meet up -- it would be awesome!

Hey, im already on my way there! Travelling is easy, dont ya know? :thumbsup::friends::hibye::D

I love you brother -- and everyone too! :happyheart::happyheart::happyheart::happyheart::happyheart:

Hey guys, thanks for the input.

Drawing the line between on-the-edge and over-the-top is never easy. Those who assist on the admin team are often wracking their brains over when to say "enough".

We don't like censorship either, mates! But we also have to consider the ones who are landing on the board straight from the WT. It's also unfortunate that some really fine contributors have left the board because of the prevalence of weirdness.

When we receive a report on a thread we take a good look at it and discuss it to the extent possible and then we respond to it by our own posts, a PM or by inviting the person who made the offending post to remove it themselves.

We asked Jesh to remove this post but instead, he made a couple of similar posts of the same sort.....according to the mod who removed the thread.

Now, Jesh has made many "out there" posts and we haven't reacted to them, because we dislike doing that. But if we see that such deeply disturb some of our regular and long time posters then we have to make a judgment call and sometimes remove a post or a thread. Then we cover our heads and wait for the flack.:detective: :whistle:

We all love variety and a good rousing discussion but sometimes we need to seek a balance. Hope you understand.

If you are concerned about a post please feel free to report it. There is a report button at the bottom of each thread. We don't promise to remove it as there may be good reason to leave it be. That's why our job is actually very stressful and we have one who is quite depressed at the moment. (that's "Dad" to you Beau, darling!:cheekkiss:) We hope he feels better soon.

For us who have been a long time at the PC we've had a chance to adjust and to develop a tolerance to some pretty strange ideas. To make a rule about all the subjects that can or cannot be investigated here would create a monster of a problem. We count on the reasonableness of our members and ask only that they be considerate of others.

For the die-hard conspiracy theorists, trinitarians on a mission, as well as those with a gnostic bent, please find a suitable forum for those particular discussions. You are welcome here but please don't come with the thought to convert or shock our sensibilities.

Hope I haven't hurt anyone's feeling 'cause I really love you all. In the words of a dear poster on the old guestbook "play nice everyone....or you don't get any ice cream." Thank you Gina!

Love to all,
Rez:siskiss: