09-28-2009, 09:33 AM
10-14-2009, 01:32 AM
The following conference call was held this past week, but you can still hear the recorded audio from the session at the Six Screens of the Watchtower website.
Conference Call
Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:04 AM
From: "Rick Fearon" <sixscreens06@ yahoo.com>
"If you have never listened in to the Six Screens conference call you don't want to miss Saturday night Oct. 10,2009 7p.m.EST. Just when you thought you heard it all, along comes more evil that the Watchtower org. is hiding behind. Donna Ryder, former J.W. Bethelite who once worked with the legal department of the Watchtower org. and was married to Watchtower lawyer, Daniel Pole, is now stepping forward and telling her story on how she was involved in removing children from hospitals so they couldn't have life saving blood transfusions. She has much to say on how dangerous the organization is. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2041666 Also, former Witness David Villa, author of the book "Bloodflowers" a fictional account about a J.W. with hemophilia will be on the call. David's book deals with the most controversial practices by Jehovah's Witnesses, the ban on all types of blood transfusions- even if they are meant to save a life. David is an articulate young man who will expose the double life of young Jehovah's Witnesses. Moderator, Rick Fearon, will give his "spin" on the annual meeting. It's easy to get on the call, just dial (712)432-8710 and when asked for pin number use 9925. There is no charge for the call, just your normal calling rates apply. The lines open at 6:30 EST for the pre-conference program and the program begins at 7 p.m.EST. So come in early and talk with all those who have been touched by the tentacles of the Watchtower."
Conference Call
Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:04 AM
From: "Rick Fearon" <sixscreens06@ yahoo.com>
"If you have never listened in to the Six Screens conference call you don't want to miss Saturday night Oct. 10,2009 7p.m.EST. Just when you thought you heard it all, along comes more evil that the Watchtower org. is hiding behind. Donna Ryder, former J.W. Bethelite who once worked with the legal department of the Watchtower org. and was married to Watchtower lawyer, Daniel Pole, is now stepping forward and telling her story on how she was involved in removing children from hospitals so they couldn't have life saving blood transfusions. She has much to say on how dangerous the organization is. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2041666 Also, former Witness David Villa, author of the book "Bloodflowers" a fictional account about a J.W. with hemophilia will be on the call. David's book deals with the most controversial practices by Jehovah's Witnesses, the ban on all types of blood transfusions- even if they are meant to save a life. David is an articulate young man who will expose the double life of young Jehovah's Witnesses. Moderator, Rick Fearon, will give his "spin" on the annual meeting. It's easy to get on the call, just dial (712)432-8710 and when asked for pin number use 9925. There is no charge for the call, just your normal calling rates apply. The lines open at 6:30 EST for the pre-conference program and the program begins at 7 p.m.EST. So come in early and talk with all those who have been touched by the tentacles of the Watchtower."
10-14-2009, 04:45 AM
I'm not so sure this is a valid issue anymore since I've personally seen many suffer infections and death from transfused blood in the earlier years, long before fractions were made available and when very little was done to screen donations.
I also believe it should have remained a conscience issue. This was attempted by the WT in the late 70's and early 80's when "blood committees" were disbanded and JW's not wanting blood transfusions were on their own. Only later did the HLC come into being due in part to the high demand by many JW's.
Personally, I wouldn't take blood since so many alternatives exist anyway. It's a moot point. In fact there are on-going class action suits against blood banks for allowing contaminated blood to infect recipients. So while I don't agree that the WT should be involve in legislating religious law against the medical use of blood, I also don't agree that court appointed judiciaries can take away my rights or the rights of my child. So I am all for breaking the law to avoid having my conscience violated by some needless court custody issue.
sw
I also believe it should have remained a conscience issue. This was attempted by the WT in the late 70's and early 80's when "blood committees" were disbanded and JW's not wanting blood transfusions were on their own. Only later did the HLC come into being due in part to the high demand by many JW's.
Personally, I wouldn't take blood since so many alternatives exist anyway. It's a moot point. In fact there are on-going class action suits against blood banks for allowing contaminated blood to infect recipients. So while I don't agree that the WT should be involve in legislating religious law against the medical use of blood, I also don't agree that court appointed judiciaries can take away my rights or the rights of my child. So I am all for breaking the law to avoid having my conscience violated by some needless court custody issue.
sw
11-10-2009, 07:32 PM
Hi SW,
In the circumstances of severe blood loss in accidents for example there are no alternative treatments to blood transfusion.
But if you chose to bleed to death it should be your right to do so.
However, it is not one's right to cause a minor to die who has not reached the age to make a separate decision from their parents.
Contamination of blood is a separate issue and irrelevant to a JW because there can be no balancing of risks in deciding on this question for them.
Derek
In the circumstances of severe blood loss in accidents for example there are no alternative treatments to blood transfusion.
But if you chose to bleed to death it should be your right to do so.
However, it is not one's right to cause a minor to die who has not reached the age to make a separate decision from their parents.
Contamination of blood is a separate issue and irrelevant to a JW because there can be no balancing of risks in deciding on this question for them.
Derek
smoldering wick Wrote:
I'm not so sure this is a valid issue anymore since I've personally seen many suffer infections and death from transfused blood in the earlier years, long before fractions were made available and when very little was done to screen donations.
I also believe it should have remained a conscience issue. This was attempted by the WT in the late 70's and early 80's when "blood committees" were disbanded and JW's not wanting blood transfusions were on their own. Only later did the HLC come into being due in part to the high demand by many JW's.
Personally, I wouldn't take blood since so many alternatives exist anyway. It's a moot point. In fact there are on-going class action suits against blood banks for allowing contaminated blood to infect recipients. So while I don't agree that the WT should be involve in legislating religious law against the medical use of blood, I also don't agree that court appointed judiciaries can take away my rights or the rights of my child. So I am all for breaking the law to avoid having my conscience violated by some needless court custody issue.
sw
I also believe it should have remained a conscience issue. This was attempted by the WT in the late 70's and early 80's when "blood committees" were disbanded and JW's not wanting blood transfusions were on their own. Only later did the HLC come into being due in part to the high demand by many JW's.
Personally, I wouldn't take blood since so many alternatives exist anyway. It's a moot point. In fact there are on-going class action suits against blood banks for allowing contaminated blood to infect recipients. So while I don't agree that the WT should be involve in legislating religious law against the medical use of blood, I also don't agree that court appointed judiciaries can take away my rights or the rights of my child. So I am all for breaking the law to avoid having my conscience violated by some needless court custody issue.
sw
11-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Hi Derek, to balance this out I recommend that you read the following:THE MORAL AGONY of BLOOD TRANSFUSION DECISIONS
I believe every conscience issue needs a face on it.
Love,
sw
I believe every conscience issue needs a face on it.
Love,
sw
11-11-2009, 04:38 PM
Hi SW,
I read the article, it seemed very balanced.
In the UK the problems with blood mainly came from imported products. There is a voluntary free donation system in the UK, plus screening. It seems ill advised to buy in blood from all and sundry as appeared to be the case in the US.
I thank God that I did not make a decision, whilst a witness, that could have cost the life of a family member, since I was once enamoured of the teaching and obedient to it.
Yes, I agree, conscience should be a personal business, not some group conscience policy enforced from above. We have seen this in operation in alternative service now being possible in conscientious objection whereas witnesses formally had no choice, if they were loyal, they went to prison.
blessings to you
Derek
I read the article, it seemed very balanced.
In the UK the problems with blood mainly came from imported products. There is a voluntary free donation system in the UK, plus screening. It seems ill advised to buy in blood from all and sundry as appeared to be the case in the US.
I thank God that I did not make a decision, whilst a witness, that could have cost the life of a family member, since I was once enamoured of the teaching and obedient to it.
Yes, I agree, conscience should be a personal business, not some group conscience policy enforced from above. We have seen this in operation in alternative service now being possible in conscientious objection whereas witnesses formally had no choice, if they were loyal, they went to prison.
blessings to you
Derek
smoldering wick Wrote:
Hi Derek, to balance this out I recommend that you read the following:THE MORAL AGONY of BLOOD TRANSFUSION DECISIONS
I believe every conscience issue needs a face on it.
Love,
sw
I believe every conscience issue needs a face on it.
Love,
sw