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The Odds of Dying

By Robert Roy Britt, LiveScience Senior Writer

posted: 06 January, 2005 7:00 a.m. ET
http://www.livescience.com/environment/0...dying.html

When major catastrophes strike, like the recent Asian earthquake and tsunami, the mass deaths can lead one to think that natural disasters are the most likely way people can die.

Not by a long shot.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the leading causes of death in the United States are, in this order, heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic lower respiratory diseases, and "accidental injury," a broad category that includes a lot of stuff that just happens.

You are more likely to commit suicide or fall to your death than be killed by a tsunami or any natural disaster, the odds say. [See Table]

Update, Jan. 20, 2005
A new report finds that cancer became the leading killer of Americans under 85, based on 2002 data. That report [story here] is not reflected in this article.

In less advanced countries, where residents often live in poverty and huddle near the sea or in poorly constructed houses, tsunamis, floods and earthquakes are a more looming threat. But even in such locales, there are far greater risks over the course of a lifetime.

Nature's power

There are no formal estimates on the risk of death by tsunami, because they occur so infrequently.

About 2,200 died in a Papua New Guinea tsunami in 1998; roughly 8,000 in the Philippines in 1976, about 120 in Hawaii and California in 1964. You have to go back to 1896 -- 27,000 deaths in Japan -- to find one that even approached the 150,000-plus scale of the Asian disaster on Dec. 26, 2004.

Michael Paine, of the Planetary Society Australian Volunteers, monitors and calculates risks of low-frequency events like asteroid impacts and tsunamis. He estimates the odds of a tsunami being the average coastal dweller's cause of death, globally speaking, are around 1-in-50,000. For the average citizen in the United States, given that many don't live near the coast, the chances are 1-in-500,000 or even perhaps less likely. Paine stressed this is a very rough estimate.

The real odds drop to zero, of course, if you live in the mountains and never visit the shore.

In fact, that sort of risk management -- intentional or not -- goes for many things. Frequent flyers are more likely to die in a plane crash than someone who never flies. A Californian is at greater risk from earthquakes than someone in Minnesota.


Overall, global deaths from sudden natural disasters -- things Nature dishes out over moments, hours or days -- have been on the decline in recent years, with the exception of 2003 and 2004. Officials credit better warnings and swifter response to help victims.

In 2003, the last year for which worldwide deaths have been tabulated by the Red Cross, natural disasters killed 76,000 people. The figure was skewed by two events: a heat wave in Europe that overcame more than 22,000 and an earthquake in Iran that killed upwards of 30,000. (Earthquakes kill roughly 10,000 people every year, on average.)

The bigger threats

The previous ten years saw an average of 62,000 global deaths per year from natural disasters. That's far less than the tolls taken by famine, disease and war.

Communicable diseases kill millions of people every year (13.3 million 1998, according to the World Health Organization).

In sub-Saharan Africa last year, AIDS killed about two million people, according to a recent article in the Wall Street Journal. Even more died because of bad water or sanitation systems. In Kenya, AIDS deaths are "equivalent to two 747 jets crashing every day," stated a recent Red Cross report.

Another study estimated that 3.3 million people died due to war in the Democratic Republic of the Congo from 1998 to 2002. More than three-quarters of the deaths owed to diseases and malnutrition resulting from the fighting.

Globally, violence is a leading killer. It accounts for 14 percent of all deaths among males and 7 percent among females, according to a 2003 analysis by the World Heath Organization. On an average day, 1,424 people are murdered. Somebody commits suicide every 40 seconds.

Changing risk factors

Perceptions of risk factors can change over time simply because more is learned. The chances of an Earth-impacting asteroid killing you have dropped dramatically, for example, from about 1-in-20,000 in 1994 to something like 1-in-200,000 or 1-in-500,000 today.

The new numbers -- their range reflecting the need for further research -- were offered up last week by Clark Chapman of the Southwest Research Institute and David Morrison at NASA's Ames Research Center.

Why such a dramatic downgrade? Active intervention.

"A significant part of it is that we have now discovered, in the last dozen years, a good fraction of the largest, most deadly asteroids and found that they won't hit the Earth," Chapman told LiveScience.

Also, projections of the destruction a large space rock would cause have been revised downward a bit. Finally, since Earth is two-thirds water, asteroid risks include the possibility of an impact-induced tsunami. And Chapman says asteroid-generated tsunamis may not be as deadly as once presumed.

Others contend the odds of death-by-asteroid are still about 1-in-50,000, until the remaining handful of expected large asteroids are found and determined not to be a near-term threat.
"This is a matter of hot, ongoing debate and calculations, however, partly motivated by the recent Indian Ocean tsunami," Chapman said.

Which brings up another huge margin of error. The death toll in Asia was greatly increased by the lack of a tsunami warning system, whereas there is one covering the Pacific Ocean.

"Our risk exposure from impact tsunamis depends heavily on the existence of such warning systems," Morrison said.

Both scientists stress that the asteroid risk is just an estimate. Like everything in this article. In the end, the only stat you can really count on is the overwhelming likelihood that you will, in fact, pass on.

By the numbers

There are significant caveats to consider before you contemplate the table below.

Risk varies with age. Infants face different threats than teens, whose risks are wildly different from senior citizens. Among people age one through 44, injuries are by far the leading cause of death in the United States. But heart disease is the hands-down No. 1 killer for those over 65. Since average life expectancy is about 77 years in the United States, simple logic reveals the leading killer of Americans.

The numbers get murkier the closer you look. Statistics are typically given for a person born in the year the numbers are crunched, but by the time that person grows up, the outlook will have changed because of medical advances, diet shifts, changes to the environment, and so on.

The list below is not complete. Rather it includes life-ending scenarios that carry some of the highest odds for U.S. residents, along with the chances of checking out in more bizarre fashion.

Health-related statistics and categories with high-odds (like heart disease at 1-in-5) are among the most statistically significant, sort of. All odds fluctuate from year-to-year. Toss in a flu pandemic -- some 50 million died in 1918 -- and all bets are off. The World Health Organization recently warned that the next such bout could kill 7 million people "in a best case scenario." That's not in the odds below.

The more specific figures are based on 2001, the most recent year for which complete data are available. Other odds, indicated with an asterisk (*) are based on long-term data.

All figures below are for U.S. residents.

Cause of Death Lifetime Odds
Heart Disease
1-in-5

Cancer
1-in-7

Stroke
1-in-23

Accidental Injury
1-in-36

Motor Vehicle Accident*
1-in-100

Intentional Self-harm (suicide)
1-in-121

Falling Down
1-in-246

Assault by Firearm
1-in-325

Fire or Smoke
1-in-1,116

Natural Forces (heat, cold, storms, quakes, etc.)
1-in-3,357

Electrocution*
1-in-5,000

Drowning
1-in-8,942

Air Travel Accident*
1-in-20,000

Flood* (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-30,000

Legal Execution
1-in-58,618

Tornado* (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-60,000

Lightning Strike (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-83,930

Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting*
1-in-100,000

Earthquake (included also in Natural Forces above)
1-in-131,890

Dog Attack
1-in-147,717

Asteroid Impact*
1-in-200,000**

Tsunami* 1-in-500,000
Fireworks Discharge
1-in-615,488


** Perhaps 1-in-500,000

SOURCES: National Center for Health Statistics, CDC; American Cancer Society; National Safety Council; International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies; World Health Organization; USGS; Clark Chapman, SwRI; David Morrison, NASA; Michael Paine, Planetary Society Australian Volunteers
I posted the above due to an eye opening piece that nationwide places
suicides ahead of homicides. I guess it shows the futility of it all.
(Reading not recommended for the faint of heart)

Legends of the Fall
In Miami's jungle of condo towers, 16 people have jumped to their deaths.
By Natalie O'Neill
Published on September 08, 2009 at 11:11am

"Fred and Ceil Feldman sat down for coffee and toast inside their snug beachside condo just before 8 a.m. From their kitchen table, on the sixth floor, the elderly couple gazed in comfortable silence at the ocean. Life hadn't yet begun to buzz at Sands Pointe Condominium. Only white lounge chairs occupied the pool deck outside their door. Even the palm trees below, with their downturned fronds, looked sleepy.

Then there was a strange and heavy thump.

Fred set his mug down and stood up. "I thought a picture had fallen off the wall," he remembers.

Through the glass door, he caught a glimpse of a figure on his patio. It looked like a woman lying down. He walked closer and found a fair-skinned, 89-pound brunette face-down and limp. She wore pajamas with matching slippers. Near her head, blood formed a puddle on the cool concrete. Fred knew immediately: She was dead..........."


http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2009-09-10/...buildings/ :huh:
Freyd, I have altered the direction of the topic slightly.

Firstly never take suicide threats lightly.

Listen and show that you personally would be hurt if the person concerned were to die.
There are those, who at some point in their existence, when the pain in their lives outweighs their pleasure. Why live?
We are not all given the wisdom of Job.

Be there when strange grotty neighbour needs you.

vicky

man hu Wrote:
Freyd, I have altered the direction of the topic slightly.

Firstly never take suicide threats lightly.

Listen and show that you personally would be hurt if the person concerned were to die.
There are those, who at some point in their existence, when the pain in their lives outweighs their pleasure. Why live?
We are not all given the wisdom of Job.

Be there when strange grotty neighbour needs you.

vicky


:(Sadly, I know a troubled young man who was disfellowshipped last year and one of the reasons the elders did so was that "he didnt respect Jehovahs gift of life". This because he had made known that he had very serious thoughts of suicide. And just last night my wife and daughter stayed on the phone for hours with another young man(a cousin) who was extremly hopeless. It seems that many JW young ones are slipping through the cracks and not getting the help they need.:dontknow:

a concerned jayme

Quote:
Sadly, I know a troubled young man who was disfellowshipped last year and one of the reasons the elders did so was that "he didnt respect Jehovahs gift of life". This because he had made known that he had very serious thoughts of suicide.

Elders......
Where do they keep their brains? Do they have any brains? Would I let them feed my hamster?

I am disgusted.

I'm discusted too!:angry:

After he was DF'd ,he came over one night in really bad shape, needing someone to talk to and just for support. When the elders found out they called me in for a meeting. I asked them what they would have done as he was threatening suicide (genuinly I precieved) they said I should have called the police.

This kid was going through some ruff stuff , was severly depressed, and fell into trouble with drinking. I expressed concerns that mercy should have been extended. I was told that wasnt my concern, that he had been told to quit twice already, and that they had to keep the congregation clean. I wondered if they were only treating and reacting to the symtoms and not the root cause. They said they wernt qualified to help people with problems other than spiritually. I guess they wont even try, (its actually not too hard to empatheticly listen and show loving concern) they just tell you what the bible says (like you didnt know) and then do nothing to help you be victoriuos. Man this kind of stuff really gets to me!:rant:

Thanks for listening

jayme

man hu Wrote:
Freyd, I have altered the direction of the topic slightly.


Given the touchiness of the subject I thought the direction was being considerate.

"To be, or not to be: that is the question:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_be,_or_not_to_be

Interpretations

According to German philosopher Arthur Mally:

"The essential purport of the world-famous monologue in "Hamlet" is, in condensed form, that our state is so wretched that complete non-existence would be decidedly preferable to it. Now if suicide actually offered us this, so that the alternative "TO BE OR NOT TO BE" lay before us in the full sense of the words, it could be chosen unconditionally as a highly desirable termination ("a consummation devoutly to be wish'd" [Act III, Sc. I.]). There is something in us, however, which tells us that this is not so, that this is not the end of things, that death is not an absolute annihilation, unless it's written upon another, for love is the ultimate end and will forever be remembered in our hearts. For he will be mine and remain mine for eternity.[2]

Thus, the lines "whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer/the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" represent the to be option, and "to take arms against a sea of troubles/and by opposing end them" the not to be option. The possibly paradoxical concept of equating taking arms with not being is usually explained by that taking arms against an irresistible sea of troubles is suicidal—our troubles, resisted rather than borne, will destroy us.[3] Another interpretation on these lines is that the only way to take arms against an ungovernable tide is by the "constructive act of suicide".[4] But both of these contemporary views of that passage recognize that one's own death is the result of taking arms............."


2 Corinthians 1:8 AMP
"For we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about the affliction and oppressing distress which befell us in [the province of] Asia, how we were so utterly and unbearably weighed down and crushed that we despaired even of life [itself]."

jayme Wrote:
:(Sadly, I know a troubled young man who was disfellowshipped last year and one of the reasons the elders did so was that "he didnt respect Jehovahs gift of life". This because he had made known that he had very serious thoughts of suicide. And just last night my wife and daughter stayed on the phone for hours with another young man(a cousin) who was extremly hopeless. It seems that many JW young ones are slipping through the cracks and not getting the help they need.:dontknow:


Sounds like doctors that would rather see patients die, rather than admit that they can't cure them.

Maybe the title of this thread should be "Suicide and Understanding it."
Reality bites! Sorry, I'm not in a good place.
Call the police? A pity they don't give that advice regarding paedophiles!:( The sheperds are not looking after the sheep, and will reap their reward!Ezek 34
Agape,
Grateful :giverose:

grateful Wrote:
Call the police? A pity they don't give that advice regarding paedophiles!:( The sheperds are not looking after the sheep,


I guess their king is Caesar

"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. "

--Ezekiel 34:2-4 (KJV)
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