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Hi One of mini,
I'm for the underdog everytime! :)
I deliberately and successfully drew flak.
It appears Wayne is getting right up your left nostril! :)

You wrote:And, of course I'm still waiting for said trinitarians
to demonstrate how my embracing such a theory/doctrine will enhance my worship.)

It is not essential to be a trinitarian to worship God.
It is however essential we do not elevate an organization to the position God's Son
should hold in our spiritual firmament..

I'm interested in one metaphor you used to effect.
Have you done any actual chumming? If so,please.
Was it for birding or fishing?
WCL
Derek

Derek Wrote:

I'm interested in one metaphor you used to effect.
Have you done any actual chumming? If so,please.

Howdy Derek,

Yes, from a boat, and occasionally on Topix. :D

If you ever go shark fishing, you'll likely discover chumming.

Chumming is attracting, fish (shark, for instance) by throwing
ground up or hacked up fish parts and fish blood into the water.

Derek Wrote:

I deliberately and successfully drew flak.

So, does that mean you were "baiting" me? :D

Bless my valiant heart! ;)

Derek Wrote:

I'm for the underdog everytime! :)

I would hardly equate Wayne with "underdog" status.

Wayne rather, seems immune to any valid criticism,
and just keeps on churning out (chumming) bucket after
bucket of cut and pasted trinitarian propaganda.

Wayne's tactics remind me of those of Thirdwitness,
who still continues to deluge any board that will let him in,
with barage after barage after barage of faulty reasoning
in favor of remaining loyal to the Watchtower Religion.

ad nauseam, I might add, again.

Wayne, rather than selling the Watchtower, wants us to invest in the trinity.

Derek Wrote:

It appears Wayne is getting right up your left nostril! :)

You wrote:And, of course I'm still waiting for
said trinitarians to demonstrate how my embracing such a theory/doctrine
will enhance my worship.)

It is not essential to be a trinitarian to worship God.
It is however essential we do not elevate an organization
to the position God's Son should hold in our spiritual firmament..

Agreed, on the not being essential to be a trinitarian to worship God.

Agreed, also, on the being essential not elevating any organization
to the place rightly held by YHVH's Son.

However, I asked those questions, because some seem to have got it
stuck in 'both nostrils' that belief in the trinity, or at the very least,
the concept of YHVH and Jesus being one and the same entity, as the prerequisite for salvation.

As for me, Wayne neither got right up my left nostril, nor got left up my right nostril.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

A nasal, "two lepta",

Love to All,
John

digital_punk Wrote:

BethelBoy Wrote:

Hey DP, The world is full of people of " Faith " Faith is only as Good as the one you put it in. You put you faith in a 4 legged chair to hold you up when you sit on it. You wouldn't have much faith in a three legged chair now would you.

If one put their faith in " Jesus of the WT " it's like that 3 legged chair. Satan was an Angel he fell and those who followed fell too ( Salvation is not offered to Angels ).

I can hardly get a straight answer on a simple question.

What is the Nature of Jesus Christ?

A Man? An Angel? A god, but not The God?

Who is the Jesus you have put your Faith? Jesus a Man, a god,an Angel, or God.

I have put my trust in as Acts 3:15 says "the origin leader " or "inaugurator" of "The Life" .

Jesus is my God,Maker ,Saviour,Redeemer ,Shepherd ,Light,Water,Bread,Sustainor of Life,Passover Lamb,Mediator ( to mediate between the two requires he be both God and Man able to represent both parties)King of kings, Lord of lords,Rock,Mighty God,Judge and SOOOOO Much more!!!

If your Jesus is anyone but God ( That Jesus doesn't exist )

It is also sad that many won't believe the Holy spirit is a person but they will believe that Satan is :(

BB:(:(:(

Wayne -- your Love and Zeal for Jesus and God are noted --- HOWEVER --- your basic and overall thrust, is that YOU have the "right" understanding, and anyone who does not believe in the way YOU believe, believes in something not true. You are in essence saying, just as the Watchtower says, that accurate knowledge is a requisite for salvation, and that without it, one cannot find favour with God.

See, here's the thing, brother -- I actually dont mind the concept of the Trinity, in fact, I dont think there is anything wrong with it, at all. The problem as I see it, comes when people, such as yourself, say that one must believe in the Trinity to be saved, and that one cannot be a real Christian without this belief.

Where does Jesus state, in simple, easy to understand language that one must believe in the concept of the Trinity? Where???? Do you have a scripture for that one? The answer is NO, YOU DONT! In fact, where does ANYONE in the Bible state, in simple, easy to understand language that one must believe in the concept of the Trinity? Where???? :dontknow:

Sorry brother --- we didnt leave one belief-control religion to get caught up in the same beast in a different disguise. Belief in the Trinity is NOT a salvation issue. To promote it as such, is blasphemy! :readthis:

Cheers, brother Wayne! :friends::friends::friends:

Hi!:hibye:

I'd sit on a three legged chair, as long as it were in a tripod formation. Perception and exceptions!

As for pointing out that sinners will not receive salvation, I must oppose your statements. Sinners are the ONLY people who will be saved. Only those needing the physician will be the receivers of mercy.

As for adulterers and fornicators, etc...they will not be in the kingdom. That means that that won't be the behavior that we will have in the kingdom. Nice to know that there won't be thieves, or liars, etc...:cheer:

But, to judge one as being the "scum of the earth" (my words) and not worthy of salvation because of YOUR measuring lines, BB, is making you one of the Pharisees. The scriptures are specific about how we treat each other in our weaknesses.

Its great to be able to live life without the tumbles and pitfalls that some are FORCED into. Someone stealing food because they are hungry? I wouldn't distrust or judge that person, my heart would break for their heart that is under siege from the necessities of life and our unfair social/economic system. How about women abandoned with children and she NEEDS economic help from a man and sex is required in order to help her family survive? Seems that's been forgiven in the scriptures, also.

We don't live in a perfect society, let the one without sin cast the first stone. All you do is cast stones here!

Wayne, I do get upset that your so STRICT that you have us all judged us not receiving salvation. You have stated this is several ways and terms. I'm sorry that you have measuring lines and seek information (other people's interpretations) to add to your measuring lines.

What about Job? I don't think he was around any Jews, why did God favor him?

What about David? He breathed murder on Nabal? David was responsible for many deaths, including Bathsheba's husband. Yet, Solomon comes through her lineage.

BB, your not going to rustle any of us into your box of rules for salvation. That would make us slaves to your MASTER (people's doctrines and interpretations) and I'm not sure you have the correct master with your constant "chopping off", rules, and the "only" answer to salvation.

I follow my heart and my path. Mine goes to God and my Lord Jesus, not by anything that you copy and paste. Personally, I wish you would knock off the rhetoric that makes you sounds as crazy as any zealous JW. Loving kindness and mercy will be chosen over measuring lines.

Like I've said to you many times, you CAN'T take away my salvation or anyone else's. You DON'T have the power. You can THINK whatever you want, we have freewill. But, you can't take away what each one of us has received in our own unique way.

I Think ALL of us here are on the path to salvation by faith, no matter what doctorines we argue about.

I would really like to KNOW what your intentions are besides conversion. As for your questions, we HAVE answered you. You are just BLIND to the answers. What does that say?:dontknow:

Just visiting with you, Debbie

Great post, Debbie!:ok: Couldn't get better and clearer than that.:thinking: thanks!:thumbsup::hug::friends::drinking:
Agape
Grateful :giverose:

Hi John,
I have chummed, I'm a birder.

I wouldn't shark fish they have been over-fished and many are endangered. I find it anathema to kill for sport.

As the naturalist Joseph Wood-Krutch said, "When one wantonly destroys one of the works of man he is called a vandal, but when man wantonly destroys one of the works of God he is called a sportsman! :)

Peace to you, 'Nimrod', yes or no. ;)
Derek

1 OF MINI Wrote:

Derek Wrote:

I'm interested in one metaphor you used to effect.
Have you done any actual chumming? If so,please.

Howdy Derek,

Yes, from a boat, and occasionally on Topix. :D

If you ever go shark fishing, you'll likely discover chumming.

Chumming is attracting, fish (shark, for instance) by throwing ground up or hacked up fish parts and fish blood into the water.

Derek Wrote:

I deliberately and successfully drew flak.

So, does that mean you were "baiting" me? :D

Bless my valiant heart! ;)

Derek Wrote:

I'm for the underdog everytime! :)

I would hardly equate Wayne with "underdog" status.

Wayne rather, seems immune to any valid criticism, and just keeps on churning out (chumming) bucket after bucket of cut and pasted trinitarian propaganda.

Wayne's tactics remind me of those of Thirdwitness, who still continues to deluge any board that will let him in, with barage after barage after barage of faulty reasoning in favor of remaining loyal to the Watchtower Religion.

ad nauseam, I might add, again.

Wayne, rather than selling the Watchtower, wants us to invest in the trinity.

Derek Wrote:

It appears Wayne is getting right up your left nostril! :)

You wrote:And, of course I'm still waiting for said trinitarians to demonstrate how my embracing such a theory/doctrine will enhance my worship.)

It is not essential to be a trinitarian to worship God.
It is however essential we do not elevate an organization to the position God's Son should hold in our spiritual firmament..

Agreed, on the not being essential to be a trinitarian to worship God.

Agreed, also, on the being essential not elevating any organization to the place rightly held by YHVH's Son.

However, I asked those questions, because some seem to have got it stuck in 'both nostrils' that belief in the trinity, or at the very least, the concept of YHVH and Jesus being one and the same entity, as the prerequisite for salvation.

As for me, Wayne neither got right up my left nostril, nor got left up my right nostril.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

A nasal, "two lepta",

Love to All,
John

Derek Wrote:

Hi John,
I have chummed, I'm a birder.

I wouldn't shark fish they have been over-fished and many are endangered. I find it anathema to kill for sport.

As the naturalist Joseph Wood-Krutch said, "When one wantonly destroys one of the works of man he is called a vandal, but when man wantonly destroys one of the works of God he is called a sportsman! :)

Peace to you, 'Nimrod', yes or no. ;)
Derek

Hi Derek,

So, why did you ask about "chumming"?

The metaphor should have been obvious.

Also,

Who said I was "sport fishing"???

Not I, said me. :dontknow:

Many of my childhood friends were from several different cultures.

I learned early to eat almost anything. :eat:

I learned not all of it, "tastes just like chicken". :chicken:

I no longer eat certain things, just for the reasons you cited.

Presently, my household is making a slow transition to vegetarianism.

Though, I confess, I still slip out in the wee hours of the morning to bag a wild Tofu. :D

But, only to eat, I would never have one stuffed, just to hang in the den. :rofl:

Nimrod never, ever, lived here.

"Two Lepta"

Love to All,
John

Though, I confess, I still slip out in the wee hours of the morning to bag a wild Tofu. :D
But, only to eat, I would never have one stuffed, just to hang in the den. :rofl:

That is because their little orange horns are unimpressive.
http://www.zenrestaurant.in/zenf/WildTofu.htm

Now if you could catch The Wild Many Horned Haggis I would be impressed:-

The haggis is all hair and feather,
To protect it from the Scottish weather.
It runs sideways on three legs,
When faced with danger it sits and begs.

At mating time it squeaks and sings,
It does a Highland Dance and flaps it's wings.
At this time you're advised stay well clear,
A stud haggis in rut will show no fear.

It lays two dozen eggs on the heather tree,
Purple and white so no one can see.
The mating season never ceases,
No chance to be endangered species

An angry debate raging aboot the land,
Threatens to get out of hand.
Is haggis beast or is it bird,
The argument is quite absurd.
We all agree it's great tae `feast tae,`
So let's just call it a ' Wing-ed Beastie."

man hu Wrote:

Though, I confess, I still slip out in the wee hours of the morning to bag a wild Tofu. :D
But, only to eat, I would never have one stuffed, just to hang in the den. :rofl:

That is because their little orange horns are unimpressive.
http://www.zenrestaurant.in/zenf/WildTofu.htm

Now if you could catch The Wild Many Horned Haggis I would be impressed:-

The haggis is all hair and feather,
To protect it from the Scottish weather.
It runs sideways on three legs,
When faced with danger it sits and begs.

At mating time it squeaks and sings,
It does a Highland Dance and flaps it's wings.
At this time you're advised stay well clear,
A stud haggis in rut will show no fear.

It lays two dozen eggs on the heather tree,
Purple and white so no one can see.
The mating season never ceases,
No chance to be endangered species

An angry debate raging aboot the land,
Threatens to get out of hand.
Is haggis beast or is it bird,
The argument is quite absurd.
We all agree it's great tae `feast tae,`
So let's just call it a ' Wing-ed Beastie."

How 'bout a photograph...

A Haggis specimen, Haggis scoticus, at the Glasgow Kelvingrove museum, next to a prepared specimen
Author: Emoscopes

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Haggis_scoticus.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hi John,
It wasn't the metaphor.
I was wondering if you were interested in sea birds.
peace to you
Derek

1 OF MINI Wrote:

Derek Wrote:

Hi John,
I have chummed, I'm a birder.

I wouldn't shark fish they have been over-fished and many are endangered. I find it anathema to kill for sport.

As the naturalist Joseph Wood-Krutch said, "When one wantonly destroys one of the works of man he is called a vandal, but when man wantonly destroys one of the works of God he is called a sportsman! :)

Peace to you, 'Nimrod', yes or no. ;)
Derek

Hi Derek,

So, why did you ask about "chumming"?

The metaphor should have been obvious.

Also,

Who said I was "sport fishing"???

Not I, said me. :dontknow:

Many of my childhood friends were from several different cultures.

I learned early to eat almost anything. :eat:

I learned not all of it, "tastes just like chicken". :chicken:

I no longer eat certain things, just for the reasons you cited.

Presently, my household is making a slow transition to vegetarianism.

Though, I confess, I still slip out in the wee hours of the morning to bag a wild Tofu. :D

But, only to eat, I would never have one stuffed, just to hang in the den. :rofl:

Nimrod never, ever, lived here.

"Two Lepta"

Love to All,
John

I'm really starting to ENJOY this thread. It's lovely when there's some humor to lighten what might otherwise be an over-serious topic.

Vicky....that haggis poem is a scream and the picture, John, is precious. Keep up the craziness :funnyface: :thumbup: I needed that!

:P Rez

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Someone stealing food because they are hungry? I wouldn't distrust or judge that person, my heart would break for their heart that is under siege from the necessities of life and our unfair social/economic system. How about women abandoned with children and she NEEDS economic help from a man and sex is required in order to help her family survive?

Debbie.....are you a writer?

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