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Totaldismay Wrote:

Hi Yannis,

"That's just it e-magine, the early christians were not independant, they were organized into churches and each church was led by a bishop. They also worshipped together and took communion together.
This common view by x-JW's of being content to be in the "wilderness" is just not scriptural or historically accurate. "

I have simple question for you how do people who understand they have a spiritual need but have not the ability "stength" to be around others who "beat them" into submision fair?

The bible clearly states where "two are gathered together"
I have never been without in any manner. from food to clothing to at least one true friend aside from our lord and our father. And yet as a young boy could not stand to be around the "kingdom hall" and cannot go to church due to personality.

I am just not able to be around people who demand of me what I cannot do. Not that I don't want to try. I had to leave home at 15 becuase of the same type of thing. Everything was always an ultimatum Do this or else. even thou some of us try to do what is asked we are not always able to then the beatings begin.

I cannot even have a normal type of job becuase I am i'll frequently.
God had still allowed me to be around those who understand and let me do as I can not as they demand.

My veiw is very simple and plain. Jesus and our Father Do with us what is needed. Sometimes it's isolation sometimes it's crowds.
The scripture not to forsake the gathering was not to become another law for us it was to be healthfull and benificail to us as far as I can tell. Their is strength in numbers whens it people who care we can gain strength, when the numbers are wolves and a sheep is alone the same rule does not apply.

Hard and unbending rules do not make for LOVE. GOD proved that himself with the Law not being able to bring one rightoues man from it.

Maybe this internet thing is a state of transition and something else is coming.

Hi TD,
I am confident that God in His great mercy and love would make allowances for folks such as yourself.

It is true that we do need time by ourselves to reevaluate and to let the Spirit lead us when we leave the Society. For some that takes months, for others years and for some the rest of their lives.

There certianly are exceptions to the rule but no one can deny based on the Scriptures that the Lord set up an arragement that wouldnt die off with the Apostles for the upbuilding, love and support of the Body of Christ.

Much Love to you,

John

man hu Wrote:

Yannis Wrote:

Deacons had specific roles and qualifications.

The role was to serve. What were the qualifications that are not common to all men and women who call themselves Christians today?

Trying not to hijack this topic so will start another.

I think the topic is already being hijacked, Vickster :P

smoldering wick Wrote:

man hu Wrote:

Yannis Wrote:

Deacons had specific roles and qualifications.

The role was to serve. What were the qualifications that are not common to all men and women who call themselves Christians today?

Trying not to hijack this topic so will start another.

I think the topic is already being hijacked, Vickster :P

That's OK! Thats why I said, "where do we go from here".

:happyheart:

ok so we have the christian movement within the jewishfaith first.
Then we have the movement amongst the gentiles.

The question I have is Paul vs Peter seems to change things as to what the gentiles were required to do in accordance with GOD's law.

If indeed we are not required to become Jewish so to speak. Then I wonder how the church began within the gentile community.

We know the jews gathered on the Days GOD set for them. If the christians were not to convert so to speak. Then what made them a "synagog" or church? When the apostales were sent forth they were told to go into a city and stay if someone was hospitable if I remember correctly.

Other then revelation is any specific way of gathering done for the gentiles? I know the had dinner together at love feasts.

Was the church or going to a temple pagan in any way?
When Jesus preached everyone just seemed to gather together no building to my recolection. Pls correct my memory.

For instance what would someone do in todays day. I would feellike a fake trying to keep jewish customs. And the few times I have been to a church service.mostly funerals. I felt very out of place up down down up. and recital of whatever the guy was saying. it just felt weird for me I wasn't afraid of it but it did not feel natural for me.

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