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This is a follow on from the topic raised by Beowulf.
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=5116
Revelation 7:4, who are the tribes of the sons of Isreal?

We are now discussing twelve symbolic tribes, who are they and why have they changed?

This is not the 144,000, because the 144,000 were selected out of them. They like the 144,000 are holy. Romans 11:16 If the part taken as first fruits is holy then the whole lump (of kneaded dough) is holy.

So what has the WT done with this holy lump of kneaded dough?
They have lost it! They do not talk about the twelve tribes of symbolic Israel. They pretend they are the same as the 144,000.

The great crowd is only made apparent through the great trib. I don't think it exists now.
No great trib. no great crowd.

I think the faithfull now are part of the tribes of symbolic Israel.

We are the Symbolic Israelites of Rev. 7

vicky

The two tribes removed from this cleansed group were Dan and Ephraim.
These were the two tribes responsible for the setting up of the golden calves. Jeroboam who set up the calves was born the son of Nebat an Ephraimite and he set up one in the north at Dan.
Amusingly the other was set up at Bethel, house of god, but which god? and why did the WT choose this name? Bethel was the centre of calf worship. Ouch! they shot themselves in the foot again.

They were replaced by Levi the priestly class that was faithful during this time, and Joseph who had a double share.
Ephraim was Joseph's son so Joseph still gets a double share since his other son Manasseh is retained.

Those who worship God without idolatry are part of the cleansed twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7. Yes us. The great crowd does not yet exist.

vicky

replaced spiritual by symbolic

I don't know, Vicky, not quite sure "who or what" everything is anymore- when it comes to prophecy. I've been hoodwinked by the WTBTS and then fell prey to satanic propaganda.

I find things much easier to do with just dealing with the present. What is going on around us spiritually, NOW. Observing, interacting, and analyzing what spiritual worship and warfare that we are experiencing in the "here and now".

I'm avoiding any 144,000 and great crowd interpretations. I have faith that some may "see" things and understand things when it comes to prophecy. Because I believe in holy spirit interactions and insight given to each one according to God's will and purpose.

So, dear Sis Vicky, just wanted you to know why I am not posting on some of your threads. I would LOVE to put in my "two cents", but am on hiatus from "prophecy" discussions that are past today. I "peek" in on the threads, occasionally. Maybe, Jesus will send holy spirit to me, sometime, and play a few melodies on my heart and forehead in this area.:heartbeat:

Lots of love to you, sweet sister:hug: Maybe, soon, I'll be able to catch up with you here. :siskiss:

With Sis Love, Debbie

Dear Debbie,

No worries. Either something clicks or it doesn't.
At the moment I have only partime work and the chance to consider the Bible fulltime.
If understanding prophecy were a life and death issue, I would be bouncing up and down on my keyboard, or even worse charging over to the States to ram it down your throat.
But.......it is not a life and death issue at the moment, sure it was a couple of times in history, but even then Jehovah stepped in with an oracle to get the christians to leave Jerusalem.
So at the moment it is an adjunct to faith building. Unfortunately many here feel like a bit of jetsam and flotsam washed in and out on the tide, due to the WT. If reading about prophecy does not increase your faith, leaves you bored or scratching your head, don't worry.
When I find a piece of the jigsaw fits in nicely it increases my faith and confirms I am on the right track.

Now there is just the rest of Revelation and the whole of Daniel to tackle........:D

No seriously, if you can get the point I am trying to make you will feel better about yourself. You are a spiritual Israelite and the Bible was written for you.

Love you lots

vicky

ps I spoke to my younger 'elder' brother this morning about my mother. He couldn't stay more than a minute because he was going out in field service. What a waste of time.
I once knew someone whose signature was a pile of anticlockwise spirals. Graphalogically all huff and puff, but no foreward motion.

Along these interesting lines, a couple ideas on the identity of the “great crowd” of Revelation 7 - are they “the sheep” of Matthew 25, and “the earth” of Revelation 12?

The “sheep” of Matthew 25 are the same as the “goats” in that neither group are aware of whether they had done “good” or not to Jesus via his “brothers”. Both groups express surprise at their judgments, and ask Jesus “when did we see you?” Since both groups are ignorant of having acted in some way toward Jesus or his brothers, the “sheep” that are seen departing into everlasting life could not have been Christians that had already accepted Christ or had knowingly helped his brothers on the earth. The same with the “goats”, these ones could not have non-acted toward Christ’s brothers via forethought, these ones just didn’t care about the suffering of others.

My theory on the basis of the judgment of all mankind is that the ultimate test is not going to be about what religion a person is in or not in. I believe that the ultimate test will be about inner moral compunction – the inner moral code of persons – in the exercise of inborn God given free moral agency – which moves certain ones to do the right thing no matter what the consequences.

In Revelation 12:15 “the earth” comes to the rescue of “the woman” by offsetting in some way a flood of water from the serpent’s mouth that was intended to destroy her. The “earth” rescues the “woman” – in what way? My theory is that when the image of the beast comes into power as a one world totalitarian government, there will be persons from all walks of life that are not Christians that will refuse to accept the mark of the beast. Such ones will see the moral issue presented and will reflect inborn conscience as persons that “are without law, yet do the things of the law” per Romans. Such ones “see” that the woman (Christians making their last stand against the beast image) is slated for destruction through evil means and will work to save them as persons that are being wrongly persecuted. Such ones had not been aligned with Christianity such that they knew they were helping Christ’s brothers, or Christ himself, but act out of purely moral means to save these ones by risking their own lives to provide food, shelter, protection.

So the ultimate test of mankind is about whether persons accept the mark of the beast or not, since this test represents everything that the True God and the Son hate, which is the immoral attachment to evil things despite knowing that innocent ones will die for rejecting it. Satan’s world is all about the end justifying the means, and the means for achieving global peace and security will be to attach to an immoral beast image that the “sheep” – like the “woman”, “spiritual Israel” - will not accept. The “sheep”, “the earth”, will show what they are really about when the final test is in place. These ones are “the great crowd” - that are blessed with everlasting life - because they acted rightly in the issues around moral compunction that God has placed within mankind as its inner guidance system, that will act as the final “judge” of us all.

So the judgment for the “sheep”, the “great crowd”, “the earth”, is a sort of blind test that tests whether persons are aligned with God’s universal moral code. “Knowledge” of who God is can be fixed with the snap of the fingers, but “motive” with a lack of moral compunction cannot be fixed since that's in the realm of God given free moral agency. Persons choose to violate the inner codes that are hard wired within humankind, and the God given conscience stands as an irrevocable guideline that must conscientiously and purposely be broken – and is therefore – judgeable.

So goes my theory…


v r

You said that better than I could, but I also agree. The "earth" that comes to the womans aid is also part of the great crowd which no man was able to number. They will stand against the beast, and come to the "womans" aid.

God has answered my prayers, for someone else to help me explain this. :thumbup:

Love,
New Heart

I'm glad that if I won't be around during that Tribulation period.

As of Chapter 5 the "Time of the Gentiles" is over and the Period known as " The Time of Jacob's trouble " will have began. When God will deal with the Physical Jewish Nation " The Apple of His eye " to have them look upon Him whom they pierced and mourn for Him as a first born Son.

If this were the case there would be no need for Jesus. It would be the old my good out weighs my bad. Islam has that same thought line.

God Judges in Righteousness. His standard is 100% nothing more nothing less.

What does He say about our " inner moral code "

Rom 3:10 As it is written: “ There is none righteous, no, not one;

I'm afraid on a daily basis we fail miserably to meet God's Standard of Righteousness. We miss the mark.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing,And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.

" certain ones to do the right thing no matter what the consequences"

I'm afraid we all fail here as well. We do not do "the right thing"

Jesus pointed it out so clearly that in our thoughts,words and actions we fail badly.

Lev 20:10 says

‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.

Jesus pointed out this in Matt 5:28

But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
( this works both ways )

Ever done this? or for all your life you were able to do as you say
" the right thing no matter what the consequences "

If you have that would make you an adulterer.

How about this list ever break any of these?

Ever steal anything? ( phone in sick when you weren't, get back too much change from a cashier and keep it,copy cd's or movies, down load songs or movies off the net,bring home company property pens,paper,etc.


That would make you a Theif.

How about Fornication?

Fornication is a term which typically refers to voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other. ( sex without marriage )

That would make you a Fornicator.

How about covetous?

greedy or eagerly desirous, jealous of what others have.

That would make you covetous.

Ever get intoxicated that is a blood/alcohol level greater than .08?

That would make you a drunkard.

Ever get angry and let some body have it?

That would make you a Reviler.

Just a reminder that you don't need to bow down to a golden calf to commit idolatry placing anything above your love for God is Idolatry. People have idols such as people,cars,money,jobs, music etc.

No one can say their lives are 100% free of Idolatry.
1 Corinth 6

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


James 2:10 Here James reminds us breaking ! is the same as breaking all 10.

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

How about murder? ( It Begins in the heart )

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.

Have you always Honored your mother and Father?
loved your neighbor as yourself?
loved the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind?

Matt 19:19
‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Luke 10:27
So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”


“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;

We also have another list in Rev 21

8 But the [b]cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Acts 17:31
because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

We die only one then await Judgment. There are 2 groups of people the first Christ's sheep are Judged by Christ ( as to rewards or loss of rewards ) 2 Corinth 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.


The second those who are not His Sheep at the Great White Throne

Rev 20

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.


Hopefully you have seen that you and I have no "righteousness" of our own! Our inner moral code leaves us bankrupt.We can barely get through a single day without breaking one commandment which as James tells us will have us guilty of all 10. The sins we commit are like Apples on an Apple tree. The tree is still an Apple tree if it bears 1 Apple or 1000000.

What we need is a new nature..

I myself have put my trust in Christ to be my Saviour, since all my sins were laid on Him ( past,present and future ) and I will stand not in my own righteousness but His when I stand before Him at the Mecry seat.

Rom 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.


24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer[i] of your souls.


BB:happyheart::thumbup::happyheart:[/quote]

When one becomes born again in the spirit, he no longer sins in the flesh with lusts, because Christ has been made manifest in our hearts, and if Christ is living in your hearts, you are a new creation. :heartbeat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycm3TqSHyMU&NR=1

Love,
New Heart

BethelBoy, I appreciate the general sense of your points and agree that mankind is imperfect and requires salvation in Christ, and that without acceptance of this arrangement salvation would not be possible due to any inborn qualities such as the moral compunction to do right.

But it’s my opinion that your comments have not addressed the core component for salvation itself: that of whether there would be anyone here on earth that would accept the salvation? I believe God sent Christ to die for mankind because he knew in advance that there would be ones that would accept this arrangement, and for such ones the ramifications of sin could rightly be one day removed because these persons wanted them removed. How could God know this? Because he knows his own creation. God also knew there were going to be ones that would not accept the Son’s ransom and would continue in their wrong ways, and for such ones that exercise their free moral agency in this manner, they would prove themselves not aligned with the Creator’s moral codes, and thus would not merit continuance as living souls. This is why Revelation juxtaposes along with the eternal blessings for mankind the river of waters of life and the healing trees with the lake of fire account where we see persons both spirit and human being pitched in. This is due to God’s ability to understand his own creation.

The case of Job illustrates what happens when a person with inner moral compunction exercises free moral agency. Nothing that Satan could throw at Job could cause him to fail in that severe test of faith. Persons of faith down through the thousands of years of history have likewise proved that God was correct in his understanding of his own creation - which he created in his own image. Certain of mankind will always seek to reflect the Creator’s qualities.

In my view God would not have sent his Son to die a horrible death if he was not absolutely certain that there would be ones that would accept the sacrifice. God will not force anyone to accept anything and in fact designed humankind such that they would be internally motivated to reflect their God given and in borne qualities – or not.

Your presentation focuses on the negative aspects of mankind which we all accept as valid, but fails to examine scripturally why God sent us salvation to begin with. It is this aspect of salvation and what merits it – or not – that I was attempting to analyze. It appears to me that you have a very hard-line view of persons and that you feel that everyone must fit some certain pre-cast pattern in order to be saved.

Consider: God has allowed Satan to be the God of this system without any boundaries. Satan has been given carte blanc to mislead the entire inhabited earth. It could be reasonably argued that since God allowed Satan to mislead persons that it would be wrong for him to pitch anyone at all into the lake of fire. In other words, its God’s fault and not the fault of the misled persons that many are going to be eternally non-existent.

On the flip side, certain others are given everlasting life. Did God “un-mislead” these ones? If yes, on what basis since the “sheep” of Matthew 25 have no idea what they had done to merit this? The basis persons are led to see and comprehend Truth has to do with their inner moral code: these persons want to do the right thing and God grants them the time and place to prove it in a situation that transcends mere beliefs and cuts to the soul of who people really are inside. Whether they do it always in this system is not the point since inherited sin causes much in the way of misfire in our conduct. But inner moral compunction at the cosmic level transcends mere wrong behavior patterns such as stealing or fornication. Many people steal because they and their families are needy and Satan’s rigged system prevents them from getting what they need. God’s knows the heart, and as in Job’s case was proof positive that mankind indeed is savable – which was why God sent the Son to enact the New Covenant.

The question becomes "how is God going to figure out who he can save and who cannot be saved?" The test mechanism has to be such that Satan’s ability to mislead is not voided and yet somehow allows persons to prove who they really are. So this is why I have my theory since I honestly can’t figure out how God will judge persons that have strong inner moral codes – but that either have no religious practice at all or practice something like Islam or the Hindu faith yet in every other way observable are good people. I have neighbors that fit this description and if I were God I could not destroy them just because their knowledge of whom I was is lacking. I feel this is more about ignorance due to the fact that Satan has clouded truth in the earth more than people just don’t want truth. “Religion” has made such a mess of “truth” - that who can blame someone for rejecting it?

But God can make people understand the real facts, and this is why in Ezekiel God says that “the nations shall know that I am Jehovah”. How the nations are going to globally know that I think is yet to be seen, and not due to any door to door preaching work that will not touch the majority of mankind since the numbers are just too great - even if such preaching were the complete Truth.


v r

1 JOHN 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Hi Veritas re,

Are you Saved? Do you know 100% that you will have Eternal Life?

What does God require from me for me to spend Eternity with Him?

Who will be the Judge of me when I die?



Lets see what the Bible says we are.

Are we imperfect people who just need to accept this arrangement.

Or are we Sinners under the double comdemnation of death. Physical death brought in by Adam and Spiritual death ( the second death an Eternity seperated from a Holy God) brought on us by our own Sinful deeds.

4 “ Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.

Ezk 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

As you can see it doesn't say the soul that inherits Adams sin will die but that each one is responsible for his/her own sin.

Each and everyday we offend a Holy God ( even in those seemingly small ways of lustful thoughts,taking something that doesn't belong to us like DL songs,have hatred toward another etc. )

What does God say about that?

Rom 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

My point is this. Not only are you under the condemnation of death due to Adamic sin, but you are under an additional condemnation of death due to your own personal sins. Now you’re either going to have to pay for this, or you’re going to have to get someone else to pay for this. It’s just like when you get a traffic ticket. You go before the judge and the penalty is $50.00 or one day in jail. Now you can say to the judge, “Oh judge, please forgive me. I’ve been good. I’ve been doing the best I can and trying to obey all the laws.” But what is the judge going to say? “This must be paid or I cannot forgive you!”


Now watch this. Say I love you and I go before the judge and I pull out $50.00 and say “I’ll pay the penalty.” Now, the judge can turn to you and say you’re free to go. Why? Because you’ve been good? No! But because the price has been paid. The judge cannot forgive you on the basis of mercy. He can only forgive you because justice has been paid. And that’s exactly what Christ did for you. It’s as if Jesus walked into Jehovah’s courtroom and said: “Father, I love Veritash. I know he deserves death and your wrath because of his sins. But Father, you know I haven’t done anything wrong, and I don’t deserve to die, but if you’ll take all of his sins—the times he lied, the times he stole or thought unclean thoughts—transfer them to my body, I’ll go down to that torture stake and pay in full everything hehascoming to him her personal sins.” And you know, That’s exactly what Jesus Christ did for you.

So, what caused the death of Jesus on the torture state? Was it the Jews? Was it the Romans? Or was it your personal sins?


5 quick questions

1. What did Jesus Christ Do for you on the tree?

2. What caused the death of Jesus on the tree?

3. What did Jesus say we must do in order to have our sins forgiven and to receive eternal life?

4. Have you “prayed” to Jesus for salvation?

5. Why do we go “to” Jesus?


Romans
623 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As you can see wages you earn while living here on earth sin after sin recorded. However it seems you wanna work for this gift making it not a gift at all but instead have made God a debtor to you.

each one recorded

Dan 7: 10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And [b]the books were opened.

Rev 20:
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

If your hoping your own following inner moral code will save you each act will be recounted recorded in these books and the verdict handed down guilty.

However,

Rom 4
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,


I think a read each day in Romans may help you with your performance based Salvation theory.

BB:happyheart::heartbeat::happyheart:

hey BB,

I usually agree with many things you say but this is either mistated or you have completely missed the point of Grace

"Now watch this. Say I love you and I go before the judge and I pull out $50.00 and say “I’ll pay the penalty.” Now, the judge can turn to you and say you’re free to go. Why? Because you’ve been good? No! But because the price has been paid. The judge cannot forgive you on the basis of mercy. He can only forgive you because justice has been paid."

If indeed their is a price and it has been paid we have no worries the price was paid and we have no need of grace from God.
IF a price was paid to free us from penalty forgiveness is not needed.
as the scripts say a worker gets paid his due. in like manner a debt paid in full is just that paid in full no need to be forgiven.

If however the randsom was just what the word intends and God's love for us is so extreme that he was willing to pay with his sons life to free us from bondage to Satan. then his grace abounds the more.

Greetings Totaldismay

Thank you for your encouragement ...the kind that has a nice ring to it....grin.

Christian love and apopreciation,

goghg

Hi Frank, I am trying to point out to Veritas that Salvation isn't something we earn by accepting this ransom sacrifice and working to become have a better " inner moral code " " which moves certain ones to do the right thing no matter what the consequences "

Salvation is the free gift of God NO ONE DESERVES IT!!!

It is God's Riches At Christ's Expense

It is not as Veritas has stated that one proves to God that he/she has to be " aligned with God’s universal moral code " that's what Sin means " missing the Mark " ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. God's Holiness demands 100% moral perfection that's what it takes to stand in His presence.We miss that mark daily. Since our own righteousness can never attain to this standard of 100% righteousness. We all face the penalty DEATH. That is, we are ALL guilty and if we die in that state we will all face what the Bible calls " the second death " to be seperated from God for Eternity.

So how does one escape that Judgment?

Since God is a just God someone had to pay ( after all could He be a just God and let Thieves, Murders,sexually immoral,drunkards,covetous,revilers, etc just get away with these offenses against Him and be called a just God? )

However if we agree with God that we deserve the penalty for our sins ( the second death ) ( repent ) that is to turn from Sin and turn to Christ and pray to Him for forgiveness our our Sins ( since He paid the price and took the wrath of God that I deserved for my sin upon Himself ) The Bible says Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Now I am free to live a life in the power of the Holy Spirit to please God not to earn His favour but because I love Him for what He has done in rescuing me from the penaty of my sins.

Now when God looks at me as to my righteousness I have 100% ( not of my own but that of Christ imputed to me by faith.

2 Corinth 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

So a good question to ask is Do I have " the righteousness of God " ?

If you were dieing and someone held the cure for your disease wouldn't you ask Him for that sweet gift of Life?

John 6
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

So have you come to Jesus?( Since He is in Heaven " to come to Him " one must pray to Him and ask for forgiveness of your personal Sins)

Have a listen what other Exjw's have to say from the WITNESSES NOW FOR JESUS CONVENTION of 2008.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUO84UIkv...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXshpBE9...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_UcSafRX...r_embedded


Wayne :happyheart::heartbeat::happyheart: