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This is where I thought you were going, BB!:clap:

I have no argument or care.:thumbsup:

My portion is my portion, this I have faith in. No replacement needed.:love:

I don't believe in any of the doctrines, don't care to be all "knowledgeable", either.:ok:

God will do what God wills.:heartbeat:

Love to all, Debbie
BB
Correctly the quote is:

"To err is human, to forgive is divine".

man hu Wrote:
BB
Correctly the quote is:

"To err is human, to forgive is divine".


Oh, how much nicer life is when we forgive! I have to forgive myself all day long, some of us can beat ourselves up with feeling bad and repenting all the time, so forgiving and moving on is a more "functional" Christian mindset.

BB, I know you have a couple of deep doctorines that you believe in. The thing is, WE don't have to adopt ANY doctorines. We can read the bible and walk with spirit and truth, its very simple and loving. :hug:

We can even disagree about anothers thoughts. I don't KNOW if the 144,000 are made up of ACTUAL JEW PEOPLE and I don't know if the numbers is filled or is to be filled:confused:. No letter, blogs, or books is going to change the love and outlook that I feel for my Father and for Jesus.

The only thing that can alter my relationship with the Father and Jesus is ME! The only thing that scares me in this world, in reality, is ME! Satan may (and does) throw things in my way. Now that my husband's in the can, I have an ex making an offer. He's the only person that I asked God that I think I would choose wrongly in a situation. I made that choice a couple of years ago during an already ongoing breakdown, and scarey man(who I have two children with) is trying to get back in my life now.

So MY heart is treacherous, MY decisions can effect my relationship with God. I'm married and should try to assist my husband with needed love and help to grow into a man. I'm interjecting my personal business to show you how we have trials and tribulations that are REALITY and that is where we try to make the best Christian decisions and set an example based upon our decisions.

Why do you feel the need to FOLLOW other people's thoughts and expressions of 'wisdom'? Shouldn't your own spirit be in union with the holy spirit to guide you in your life? I'm praying and banking that whatever happens in my life right now is the 'right' choice because of my faith in my Father and Jesus giving us good gifts, and not let me receive a snake or a scorpion. That's PURE FAITH, BB. I don't have people to really talk with and I share some on the board to encourage others that we ALL have some 'whacked out' problems.

I just feel so sad that you are not really 'rested' in peace. You haven't grown to that point. :hug:I appreciate that you want to share your ministry, your a good Christian for that (and yes, I can say good-its a word, and I like it, and I like to use it where I feel applicable, but my version of good is not the 'holy' version, but I can say it-do you get what I'm getting at? I can be so confusing and I feel sorry for you for that.:heartbeat:).

And don't feel bad, we are all at different stages and growths. I have a heaping load of dirty laundry to be washing and focusing on myself. I hope your not upset and I do pray that my remarks hit your heart in a soft and kind ways.:hug:

With Sisterly Love, Debbie


PS. Man Hu, I feel like when that brother made a remark about money clouding your heart. I personally feel that I have done that in my life. I'm being offered a house, boat, camping trips, a trip to Europe, and I don't care about any of it. The reality is that someone is trying to 'entice' me with material things and I've 'played' before. I dont want to play.

I've been weak so many times in my life and to make it worse, I have feelings for this man. I am just going to stay as close in spirit as possible.:heartbeat:I love the forum, it gives me a place to focus on spiritual things and somedays, its really been the greatest Godsends. Somebody writes something and it helped me get through my day better than it may have been without the thought.:heartbeat::grouphug:

Totaldismay Wrote:
I do not veiw myself as vile either.

Adam and eve were ashamed when they "knew"



I see myself the same way Paul saw himself. Just a reminder that this was long after his conversion[/u] encounter on the Road to Damascus.

Romans 7

21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Wretched/Vile but Praise Christ my Lord who has imputed HIS Righteousness on me back in 1998. I now have perfect peace with a Holy and Just God and am free from the wrath of His angry God toward me in Christ.


One of My favourite songs!!!

In Christ alone [u]


In Christ alone my hope is found;
He is my light, my strength, my song;
This cornerstone, this solid ground,
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My comforter, my all in all—
Here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone, Who took on flesh,
Fullness of God in helpless babe!
This gift of love and righteousness,
Scorned by the ones He came to save.
Till on that cross as Jesus died,
The wrath of God was satisfied;
For ev'ry sin on Him was laid—
Here in the death of Christ I live.

There in the ground His body lay,
Light of the world by darkness slain;
Then bursting forth in glorious day,
Up from the grave He rose again!
And as He stands in victory,
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me;
For I am His and He is mine—
Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

No guilt in life, no fear in death—
This is the pow'r of Christ in me;
From life's first cry to final breath,
Jesus commands my destiny.
No pow'r of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home—
Here in the pow'r of Christ I'll stand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcpLZgCwc...playnext=1

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Videos

A little late to the discussion -- I'm replying to something from one of the earlier pages.

In looking at the listing of the tribes in Revelation, please note that Joseph and Ephraim may be used interchangeably. (Joseph got a double-portion as his inheritance was doubled according to his sons Mannasah and Ephraim.) If this is the case the only tribe that gets the boot is the tribe of Dan.
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There will be 12 leaders of the tribes of Israel in the re-creation.

Jesus Christ said so:

Matthew 19
28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone that has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive many times more and will inherit everlasting life. 30 “But many that are first will be last and the last first.


Notice that there are two conditions:

1/ YOU who have followed me
2/ many that are first will be last and the last first

The re-creation is after the final part of the days.

In the final part of the days (now) there will also be 12 leaders (kings of the earth) as there was 12 leaders (Apostles) in the first century.

In the first Century one of the Apostles undermined Jesus Christ and so therefore did not meet the condition: "YOU who have followed me".

How many will meet the condition in the final part of the days?

I am convinced that only 2 of the 12 will meet the requirements during the gentile times.

The Jews had their chance and so now it is the gentiles time and testing.

Why only two?

It was prophecied:

Genesis 49
1 Later on Jacob called his sons and said: “Gather yourselves together that I may tell YOU what will happen to YOU in the final part of the days. 2 Assemble yourselves and listen, YOU sons of Jacob, yes, listen to Israel YOUR father.

The blessings for each of the 12 follows in the remainder of Genesis Ch49.

The 2 leaders who are found standing before the Lord in the Final Part of the days will be the leaders of the tribe of Judah and Joseph, the remaining 10 leaders will be cast off.

Zechariah 10:6
6 And I will make the house of Judah superior, and the house of Joseph I shall save. And I will give them a dwelling, for I will show them mercy; and they must become like those whom I had not cast off; for I am Jehovah their God, and I shall answer them.

The remaining 10 leaders will be "cast off" at the end of the final part of the days.

They will weep and gnash their teeth. (just like Judas)

The two leaders (kings of the earth) who will stand before the Lord during the final part of the days are the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation Chapter 11.

3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth.

Their witnessing will torment the other 10 leaders (kings of the earth).

The other 10 leaders (kings of the earth) will give away their power to the wild beast and yet rule with it for an hour (short time). They will not meet the condition: "YOU who have followed me".

Revelation 17:12
12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast.

After the final part of the days in the re-creation the real kingdom will be set up with 12 leaders (kings of the earth).

The Gentile times will then be over.

The Jews will have had an opportunity/dispensation.
(1 Apostle failed - Judas)

and

The Gentiles will have had a similar opportunity/dispensation.
(10 will have failed)

Until the re-creation these 12 leaders will be kings without a kingdom.

At the end of the Final part of the days the natural Jews will understand these things also:

Romans 11:25
that a dulling of sensibilities has happened in part to Israel until the full number of people of the nations (Gentiles) has come in,

They will certainly look toward the one who they pierced.

To learn more watch the Revelation videos:

http://thebiblereport.blogspot.com/2008/...art-1.html

To understand how the 10 kings gave away their power to the wild beast read the book!



In Christ

abe


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