Ain't it amazing how word association plays havoc with our brain? No I'm not flustered, Willa. Actually, I was merely trying to stimulate the same suspicions that I've always had (apart from JW-ism) that scholars justify the elimination of the most important name in scripture. Why? Because they are either biased or pressured by their religion to conceal the true intent. Some might think I'm trying to revive JW-ism but relax! That's not my bag.
Gogh? Was I misunderstood? If I say 'n.i.g.g.e.r' am I now a member of the KKK? (interesting how this DB automatically switches n.i.g.g.e.r to nigger when I take the periods out ... try it.) Try reading some novels by Mark Twain. If I say 'jap', am I a WW II vet and still hate the Japanese? Not if I'm quoting from a book that by some estimation should be banned. Face it. Bastardized names surround us.
In my own opinion the elimination of the divine name goes much deeper. But that's my opinion and it's not for me to say anything further because sooner or later some silly fool will castigate me for laying my own interpretation upon the Bible when all I'm trying to do is let the Bible speak for itself.
Simple.:thumbsup:
Blessings,
sw
Good afternoon brother SW:
I know that you know how powerful a tower Jehovah's name is and the protection it provides to those running into it. Proverbs 18:10 I learned first hand just how powerful when one day, disgusted by my brother and a livingroom full of his druggie friends, I "asked" them to leave in Jehovah's name and and they practically flew out the doors! Most of them never returned coz they thought I was crazy :funnyface:
The word "experts" really leaves me cold, so no matter what or for how long they've "studied", I know what works for me. :D
Onward and Upward Everybody :cheer: :grouphug::cheer:
Much Christian Love to You and All :heartbeat:
sis
p.s. Yahweh is my second choice, but it should be whatever works for you. imho
The word "experts" really leaves me cold.
me, too, sis llee. :giverose:
think about it. :thinking: an "ex" is a 'has been.' :huh: and a "spurt" is just a drip under pressure. :shocked:
everyone can do the math from there, huh? :P
I know that you know how powerful a tower Jehovah's name is and the protection it provides to those running into it. Proverbs 18:10 I learned first hand just how powerful when one day, disgusted by my brother and a livingroom full of his druggie friends, I "asked" them to leave in Jehovah's name and and they practically flew out the doors! Most of them never returned coz they thought I was crazy :funnyface:
Hi sis llee,
How I do get choked up over Proverbs 18:10. The first scripture that I ever learned to be truthful. For you it got rid of the druggies. For me it saved me from the drug I was on.:thumbup::yahoo:
Much love to you,
sw
I was looking up the Toledoth Jeschu or Toledot Yeshu, which is a retelling of the story of Jesus but claiming he was an illegitimate imposter who performed sorcery by using
the divine name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledot_Yeshu
Whilst researching this I was directed to Anthony's site.
http://www.anthonymathenia.com/?p=89&cpage=1
I don't know if this is what you are referring to Wick.
Obviously no name has magical properties, unless you expect is to be so. It has the amount of power you imbue it.
Incanting names, upside down crosses, Bibles opened at certain verses have no power in themselves.
The Jewish nation was a chastened and rather a strange bunch after they came back from the Babylonian exile. They never turned to false gods again, but when the Septuagint was translated, they removed anthropomorphisms
* relating to Jehovah, and it appears to be after the exile the use of the sacred name was also considered blasphemous.
So are you questioning whether the name is thought to have power and by thus removing it, that power was being wrested from the hands of ordinary men?
Certainly Rutherford felt it gave a certain gravitas to the name he chose for renaming the Bible Students. He chose the name 'Jehovah's Witnesses', as he needed something to divert attention from the still existing Bible Student 'breakaways'.
*http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=3171&dict=CALD
E.g. the mighty 'hand' of God
Certainly Rutherford felt it gave a certain gravitas to the name he chose for renaming the Bible Students. He chose the name 'Jehovah's Witnesses', as he needed something to divert attention from the still existing Bible Student 'breakaways'.
Continuing on from this point I think it would also be interesting to consider the reverse side of the coin.
How many times has the WT inserted the name 'Jehovah' into the New Testament, when the context shows the word 'Lord' was referring to the Lord Jesus?
I have counted four incidents in the book of Ephesians alone.
Will come back to this when I have done a little more research, and have a little more time to post it.
This suggests the WT is also using the word Jehovah like a talisman.
Indeed the name still exerts power.
Obviously no name has magical properties, unless you expect is to be so. It has the amount of power you imbue it.
The converse of that is that some do use the Divine Name as a hammer on people, as if summoning our Father to be a bouncer or a doorman, calling on Him as a threat against those being "reasoned" with. Just as calling this- or that- governing body "Jehovah's organisation" is a mild threat to people not to diagree with it. Try reasoning with some of your ex-congregations and see how long before it starts to appear. These are good reasons not to use the Divine Name, and ways in which it is regularly brought into disrepute - perhaps a case of "Not using God's Name in a worthless way".
Respect is the key.
Acts5v29
The converse of that is that some do use the Divine Name as a hammer on people, as if summoning our Father to be a bouncer or a doorman, calling on Him as a threat against those being "reasoned" with. Just as calling this- or that- governing body "Jehovah's organisation" is a mild threat to people not to diagree with it. Try reasoning with some of your ex-congregations and see how long before it starts to appear. These are good reasons not to use the Divine Name, and ways in which it is regularly brought into disrepute - perhaps a case of "Not using God's Name in a worthless way".
Respect is the key.
Acts5v29
I couldn't agree more, which is why I raised the secondary point, 'does the organisation over use the name, placing it in the New Testament where it does not belong?' This of course shows disrespect to the son, where all authority has been given to him. We must kiss the son lest God be angry.
vicky.
...perhaps a case of "Not using God's Name in a worthless way".
Respect is the key.
Acts5v29
I couldn't agree more, which is why I raised the secondary point, 'does the organisation over use the name, placing it in the New Testament where it does not belong?' This of course shows disrespect to the son, where all authority has been given to him. We must kiss the son lest God be angry.
vicky.
ditto ditto ditto :thumbsup:
Acts5v29
Would anyone like me to continue through the New Testament, proving this misuse again and again? This I can do.
If I come across anything serious, naturally I will mention it instantly.
What we must remember is that the father and son are not vieing for dominance, but out of love they want to be subservient to each other.
That is what we should be fighting for, amongst us too.
:thumbup: Yes indeed, Vicky - it will be a service to us all. I have left using the NWT for all intents and purposes, except for comparisons now and then, preferring the NASB or the NIV.
:heartbeat:
[I moved this post to Vick's other thread so's not to derail this one for bro. Wick. :D ]
Yes, I think we could all learn from scriptures such as these.I, for one, would be grateful for all and any such scriptures that anyone feels are important. :read: Thanks to both of you, Willa and Vicky.:thumbsup:
Agape,
Grateful :giverose: