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Hello all. :hibye:

Thought this was interesting.

http://www.anthonymathenia.com/?p=319


Love to all Lynn

observant Wrote:
Hello all. :hibye:
Thought this was interesting.
http://www.anthonymathenia.com/?p=319
Love to all Lynn


Thanks Lynn.
It's quite disturbing to know the WT headquarters' lawyers are taking such care to equality in providing pension benefits to their aged, selfless servants worldwide - none.
They're treating, er, I meant cheating the Spanish Bethelites the same as the New York ones. How very sad indeed.:cry:

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At the time, expansion at the headquarters in New York left the Watch Tower corporation without the finances to build offices and a printing facility in Spain and so the Spanish Witnesses were solicited to follow the example of the Israelites in bringing their gold, silver, and valuable items to Moses in order to build the Tabernacle. (Exodus 35:5-9) The 1983 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, reports the generous way that the Spanish Witnesses responded to this appeal.

In December 2007, after an investigation, the Social Security office of Spain issued a ruling that the Madrid Bethel was required to provide a pension for those who worked in its printing facilities. Historically, Bethel workers receive no such benefits.

The Spanish Witnesses feel slighted that the religious organization they gave their life and finances to is now treating them so carelessly. Equally they are hurt by the lack of candor and honesty coming from headquarters about the current situation.


:rant:

Some of the most beautiful kingdom halls of Europe are in Spain.
The Javea congregation hall is built with real stone columns and beautiful stone flooring, all built by the local brothers and sisters.

In Spain the social system has come on in leaps and bounds. The elderly get a pension calculated on their wages and is one of the highest in Europe. This is why the WT is moving out of Spain, because unlike the Spanish it does not like to look after its elderly.
It is one of those areas that they will have to address if they are to survive as an ongoing worldwide religion. Most mature denominations take care of their missionaries and ministers in old age. :friends:

They have to get over the idea that establishing Retirement Homes would be a denial of Christ's Return. Its not only proper compassion it has no association with chronology.

designs

man hu Wrote:
Some of the most beautiful kingdom halls of Europe are in Spain.
The Javea congregation hall is built with real stone columns and beautiful stone flooring, all built by the local brothers and sisters.

In Spain the social system has come on in leaps and bounds. The elderly get a pension calculated on their wages and is one of the highest in Europe. This is why the WT is moving out of Spain, because unlike the Spanish it does not like to look after its elderly.

The love of money the a root of all evil, as they say.:bigboss::dollar:They have been weighed in the balance, and found wanting.:greedy:My heart goes out to all those suffering in there, and hope that soon they will all get that wake up call!:help: To think I once supported that monster makes me feel quite sick!:barf:
Agape
Grateful :heartbeat:
Wow! That Anthoney Mathenia has quite a blog. Thanks for turning mr on to it!

e-magine Wrote:
Wow! That Anthoney Mathenia has quite a blog. Thanks for turning mr on to it!


:thumbup: He's our own Anthony - I think he used his middle name 'justin' as his username here. I think. :)

:peace:

designs2 Wrote:

They have to get over the idea that establishing Retirement Homes would be a denial of Christ's Return. Its not only proper compassion it has no association with chronology.

designs


If the rank and file knew what Mother was up to, it would result in the ultimate cognitive dissonance!
(If the end is so near, why plan for the future in this system?)
discusting!:worthy::yuck:

A new low for the governing body. Those men have no compassion.

Even the Bible Students have a retirement center for their brethren.
http://www.thebsrc.org

... I feel bad for the Spanish JWs who gave so much... but perhaps some of them will open heir eyes and see the true nature of those men in New York.
Greetings dear brothers and sisters, may you be blessed from our Lord and King, Jesus and filled with holy spirit this day:

After reading this account of our Spanish brothers and sisters, only one word came to my mind, DISGUSTING

When I think of the scripture in James that the form of worship acceptable to our God is looking after orphans and widows, it becomes very clear that the WTS GB are anything but Christian. It appears that istead of looking after those in need, they sap every ounce of our brothers and sisters assets and energies, and then abandon them to become "orphans and widows", how disgusting.

I hope this gets world wide attention, and hope the Spanish government will step in and force the WTS to yield any profits from the sale and give it to our deserving brothers and sisters.

Thank you Lord Jesus, I am no longer a part of that detestable group of men.

Joing me in prayer for all our down trodden and beaten brothers and sisters who are paying the dear price for giving up their lives to this detestable organization.

In Christ's' love, brother Fred
Amen to that, brother Fred.:( Is there any way we could get those letters translated into English? It would help if we could understand what they are saying.:thinking: Anybody out there with a good knowledge of Spanish?
Agape,
Grateful :giverose:
*** w84 3/1 pp. 9-12 Spain’s Willing-Hearted Ones Do the “Impossible” ***

Spain’s Willing-Hearted Ones Do the “Impossible”

JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES had been preaching in Spain since 1919. Then in 1936 civil war broke out and their work was brought to a virtual standstill. The authorities took over the Watch Tower Society’s small branch office in Madrid and confiscated the printing equipment. The foreign pioneers, or full-time preachers, had to flee the country to avoid imprisonment. By the spring of 1939 General Franco had won the war and a Catholic Fascist dictatorship was imposed. The only religious organization allowed to function legally and publicly was the Roman Catholic Church. In such a setting, would Jehovah’s Witnesses ever be able to get back on their feet?

To the isolated groups of Spanish Witnesses back there, a recovery seemed impossible. Yet in 1970, after 34 years of underground, “catacomb,” activity, Jehovah’s Witnesses finally were given legal recognition in Spain. After a brief search, they located a small building in Barcelona that would serve as a central office and a Bethel home for their headquarters staff. That original Bethel family started with just 12 members. In 1972, when the remodeled building was dedicated by N. H. Knorr (then president of the Watch Tower Society), there was an average of 15,668 Witnesses preaching each month in Spain. Four years later, that figure had doubled to over 36,000! The Barcelona Bethel facilities were already too small for existing needs. But where could a suitable larger property be found?

One problem was the zoning laws. Normally, land is zoned for either industrial or residential use. What was needed was land that could be used for both purposes, since members of the Bethel family who work in the factory, workshops and offices also reside in the same complex. A nationwide search was mounted for a suitable piece of land on which to build or for a building already in existence that would be adequate for future expansion. The months and years rolled by without any real success.

In 1980 the impasse finally was broken. A large five-winged factory building was found about 15 miles (24 km) out of Madrid, on the outskirts of the village of Ajalvir. The building was almost brand new and only partially finished, and the local authorities were willing to permit mixed zoning there. But there was one big problem—finances.

How Would the Brothers Respond?

For more than 30 years the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, U.S.A., had gladly financed the preaching work in Spain without any repayment. But because of heavy expenditures, due to expansion at the Brooklyn headquarters at that time, it was impossible for the Society to finance new Bethel facilities in Spain. If Spain was to have a new branch complex, the Spanish Witnesses would have to finance it themselves. This was a new challenge of much greater proportions than anything previously faced in the Spanish field. In fact, it seemed impossible that the Spanish brothers, with their relatively low wages, could donate sufficient funds to cover the cost of this enterprise.

But you may recall what was done when the Israelites of Moses’ day were privileged to build a tabernacle for Jehovah’s worship. Moses had said to the Israelites: “From among yourselves take up a contribution for Jehovah. Let every willing-hearted one bring it as Jehovah’s contribution.” They voluntarily gave gold, silver, precious stones and other items. (Exodus 35:5-9) Similarly, the issue was squarely put to the 751 congregations in Spain. The need was clearly explained at the 1980 district conventions all over the country. What was the response?

At the close of the conventions, people were lining up to contribute their jewels, gold and silver rings and bracelets, so that these could be turned into cash to finance the new project. At the convention in San Sebastián in the Basque country, an elderly sister handed over a heavy gold bracelet. When asked if she was sure that she wanted to donate such a valuable item, she answered: “Brother, it is going to do far more good paying for a new Bethel than it will on my wrist!”

A young couple contributed money they had planned to use for their honeymoon travel. An older sister brought in a pile of damp and musty banknotes that she had stashed away under the floor of her home over the years.

As the weeks passed by, men and women, young and old, rich and poor, contributed with a willing heart so that Spain could have the needed new Bethel facilities. Even special pioneers, who receive only a limited monthly allowance, made contributions. For example, one couple sacrificed a trip to the United States and donated their ticket money. Children also sent their contributions to the branch office. One ten-year-old stated: “I am the firstborn of five children, and we have heard the suggestion about sending money for the new Bethel. We would like to contribute what we have saved in our money box. Although it is a small amount, we believe it will serve to buy something.”

Young people also organized themselves in different ways in order to earn money they could send to the Society. Some made little dolls and sold them. One collected sawdust from carpentry shops and then sold it. One youngster who was saving to buy a guitar donated the money for the Bethel project.

New Challenges to Be Met

The Spanish brothers responded so well that what had seemed impossible became a reality. The factory building was purchased in October 1980. But there were new challenges to be met. The unfinished building now needed to be remodeled and completed. Separate living quarters would have to be built. A volunteer construction team had to be formed. Specialists were needed for drafting, engineering, building, electrical and plumbing work. At first sight, all of this seemed impossible. But it was a challenge similar to that faced by Moses during construction of the tabernacle. So out went this call for volunteers: “Let all the wise-hearted ones among you come and make all that Jehovah has commanded.” (Exodus 35:10) Now experts were needed for Bethel construction, and a similar call went out for willing workers.

One special pioneer, an engineer, was called in with his wife and child, serving for several years. A brother from Madrid who is a registered technical architect also offered his services in the quality control of the construction. An architect in Barcelona who is not a Witness heard of this vast project and was moved to volunteer his services for several weekends. However, relatively few such specialists were available among Jehovah’s Witnesses in Spain. But expert help came also from outside of Spain. Brothers came forward from many countries—Greece, Germany, Sweden, Great Britain and the United States, to mention just a few.

However, not only were willing-hearted experts needed but hundreds of permanent and temporary volunteers were required to care for the bulk of the manual labor, as well as the domestic work—cooking, laundering and cleaning. How did the Witnesses respond? Just like the Israelites who responded with willing hearts.—Exodus 35:20-35.

During the three years that were required to complete the project, thousands of Witnesses from all over Spain volunteered to help out at Ajalvir full time or on weekends and vacations. And their fine help and example served to give a witness. How so? During a period of ten months, the original factory owners continued their industry in two wings of the building while the Witnesses were working on the rest of the site. The former owners were so impressed by the zeal and conduct of the brothers that they adopted a company policy that any future employees would have to be Witnesses—and they have stuck to it!

The “Impossible” Achieved

In the fall of 1982 a target date was set for the completion of the new Bethel facilities—October 9, 1983. As the months sped by, this seemed to be a formidable task. It was one thing to get the main structure and the residential modules looking like a Bethel complex, but finishing off the thousands of details was a different matter. Late into the night of Saturday, October 8, volunteers were still working to put the finishing touches to the marble floors and mirrored ceilings in the lobby. Yet, on the morning of October 9—the day of the dedication—there, on a hilltop overlooking a typical Castilian scene with its autumn ocher colors, stood the gleaming white and gray Bethel complex in a setting of green lawns and multicolored flower beds.

Hundreds of visitors who poured in from Spain and other lands were amazed. Who would believe that an organization that had virtually been put out of existence and driven underground until 1970 could have such a beautiful headquarters just 13 years later! Without a doubt, Jehovah had fulfilled his word by the prophet Isaiah: “The little one himself will become a thousand, and the small one a mighty nation. I myself, Jehovah, shall speed it up in its own time.”—Isaiah 60:22.

The program got off to a grand start with experiences and expressions from old-timers who had lived through the trials of the 1930’s and from missionaries who had formerly served in Spain. Next F. W. Franz, the president of the Watch Tower Society, presented a talk on dedication and consecration. This discourse was followed attentively not only by the 956 present at the new Bethel but also by more than 62,000 in 12 different stadiums connected by telephone around the country. By their donations and voluntary work, most in attendance had contributed to this magnificent new Bethel complex. During the years of hard work, they had truly been conscious of wise King Solomon’s words: “Unless Jehovah himself builds the house, it is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.” (Psalm 127:1) With Jehovah’s blessing they were among the willing-hearted ones who had made all of it possible.

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
Do you think we could write letters to the editors of the local news papers stating our feelings on this? That way, the Bethel familly will know that we feel their pain, and are disgusted by the corporate religion.
In the USA it was a big fight to get Social Security benefits for the Bethel workers and Circuit/District Overseers.

Finally that decision was enforced by the Federal Government and older COs DOs and Bethel workers can have those benefits as they grow into old age.

designs
Some brothers in Spain have started a signature campaign. They are collecting signatures against the sale of property of the Bethel and Ajalvir Against Indiscriminate dismissal of Bethelites. Here is a link to the site they have set up. Click below.

Betel Ajalvir

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
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