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Hi, Everybody! :) What has happened to many of us, over years of association with Watchtower Religion, is that we have become so accustomed to a steady diet of "mixed messages," that, -- not only do we become unable to readily identify them, but, -- we also become unintentional purveyors of mixed messages, ourselves.

Part of our process of, ... "Un-Religiosizing," ... ourselves, is to learn and become users of, "clear thinking faculties." (2 Peter 3:1.) Or, as the footnote says, "mental perception." ... Now that we understand, fully, the need and appropriateness for us to, personally, ... "test the inspired expressions, to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world," -- (1 John 4:1.) -- we not only want to cease and desist from being senders of mixed messages, ourselves. We also want to become skilled, -- adept, -- at recognizing them. Why? Because when a person can read something from a supposed "inspired" (or, 'semi-inspired') source, and recognize it, and say, ... "Aha! THAT is a mixed message! That produces dissonance with my spiritual heart! That is not resonant with the truth I know from the Bible," ... when a person can recognize and say those things to oneself, it has the effect of dis-empowering the "mystique," or, the aura, under which one has walked in a trance for however long. It allows one to, in effect, say to oneself, ... "Hey! You know what? The ole' Emporer is sure enough naked, after all! Well, how about that?!?!?"

Reproduced below are the original three posts, examining, ...

Mixed Messages. ... Dissonance. ... Resonance.
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Mixed Messages.

If any of you have had the sad misfortune of growing up in a dysfunctional home/family environment, then you already know, -- all too well, -- about "mixed messages," don't you? And for the rest, -- the "fortunate few," -- "mixed messages," are simply communication that leaves the recipient uncertain as to the intent or the content. One who receives "mixed messages," can never be certain as to how to proceed. Instead of clear direction and helpful guidance, there are conflicting, contradictory elements, contained in "mixed messages." The recipient is left baffled, frustrated, confused, bewildered. With a sense of utter futility and hopelessness. "No matter what I do, it cannot come out right. Nothing I can do will please (fill in the blank). ... I'll be wrong, no matter what!" I am sure there are many of us, for whom it is painful to even read these words or consider these thoughts. "Mixed messages" are cruel. They are one of the prevalent forms of spiritual, psychological, and emotional abuse. "Mixed messages" create terror.

Instead of a home environment, let's think about a different setting. If we have given power over ourselves to an institution, an organization, an entity of any kind, ... and if that entity holding power over us (which we have granted to it) operates by, "Mixed Messages," then we have set ourselves up for a lifetime of abuse. We have signed up for the spiritual or emotional or psychological ride of our lives. Or, all three. If there is an "elephant in your living room," the elephant is going to contiinue to be an elephant, and act like an elephant. Since you are powerless to move the elephant out of the living room, at some point, acting in healthy self-interest, you may just have to move. Find a new living room. One without an elephant.
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Dissonance.

(1) Unpleasant noise. A combination of sounds, to which it is unpleasant to listen.

(2) Inconsistency. Lack of consistency or compatibility between actions or beliefs.

Have you ever heard the sound of someone scraping their fingernails across a chalkboard? Not a pleasant sound, is it? To me, that is the epitome of audio dissonance. As the second definition above confirms, there is also an even greater unpleasantness associated with mental/intellectual dissonance. Emotional dissonance. Spiritual dissonance. Professionals in the fields of mental and emotional health employ a term which covers a lot of ground. ... Cognitive Dissonance.

"Mixed Messages," produce "Cognitive Dissonance." Just as the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard causes one to want to cover their ears from the unpleasantness, and run, screaming, away from the source of the sound, ... so do "mixed messages," produce the exact same effect or reaction from our mind and heart. The mind and heart tend to "shut down," when confronted with a steady diet of "cognitive dissonance." The internal "gut" reaction from the "true self" down deep inside to "mixed messages," is that, "THIS MAKES NO SENSE." I am being told that this makes sense. But, I know better. I can see clearly the inconsistencies, the logical fallacies, the ad hominems, the incongruent statements. the leaps of logic, the irrational (or, non-existent) "reasonings," the groundless, unfounded, baseless assertions, the self-serving claims, etc., etc., etc. We see a naked "emporor," standing before us in broad daylight. But, we hear everyone around us, -- who are supposed to each have an active remaining brain cell or two of their own, -- proclaim how wonderful and fine the emporor looks in his new royal raiments.

Folks, this is truly crazy-makin' stuff! One of the repercussions of cognitive dissonance, is that: We begin to question our own sanity! ... "Surely, they can't all be wrong. If I am the only one thinking this way or feeling this way (you are not), then THE PROBLEM MUST BE WITH ME."

I feel comfortable that, -- by virtue of the fact that you ARE here, on this DB, -- you have come to recognize many of these things, whether you had called them by these names, or not. Let's look at two examples of things about the "Religion" of JW's, which could produce cognitive dissonance.

Example 1. "We are (or, represent) the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45. As such, we are God's (exclusive) channel of communication. You MUST listen to and follow and trust and agree with us, at all times, on all matters." ... But, on the other hand: ... "We never claimed to be inspired. So, if and when we make mistakes, or change doctrines or policies, or when things we have predicted DO NOT COME TRUE, as predicted, when we said they would, you are not to blame us or think any less of us. You are just to accept the changes, overlook the errors, suffer whatever consequences may have been involved on a personal/family level, and move on."

Example 2. "We live in a spiritual paradise, as God's chosen people." ... But, on the other hand: ... "At the highest levels of organizational operation, we have secretly engaged in spiritually-adulterous relations with the United Nations. Further, we have ostracized, shunned, and banished any of our own "sheep," under our care, who may have managed to become aware of this DISSONANT activity of ours, and who would dare to question us about it, or who would dare to speak about it."

At this point, I believe it becomes abundantly clear that many more examples could be cited. (Feel free to do so. This is your invitation.) But, I do want to stop here.

"The truth about the truth," is that "The ACTUAL Truth," is entirely free of dissonance! "The ACTUAL Truth" is "Resonant." ... "The ACTUAL Truth," produces resonance for its hearers and practicers.
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Resonance.

Resonance is a word very widely employed in a number of contexts and specialties. You will find it used with specificity in fields such as acoustics, music, physics, electricity, medicine, and chemistry, to name a few. Depending upon the context of its usage, it has a vast array of meanings. So, let's try to narrow down our meaning, here, for purposes of this discussion.

We have already (above), taken a quick look at "Mixed Messages," and the fact that they produce a state, quality, or condition of, "Dissonance." ... "Mixed Messages" would stand out in sharp contrast to, ... "Consistent, Truthful Messages." Thus, messages which are consistent and contain truth produce, "Resonance."

"Mixed Messages" produce "Dissonance."
"Consistent, TRUTHFUL Messages" produce "Resonance."

How often have you heard or used the expression, "THE RING OF TRUTH"? If something has "the ring of truth," to us, it "RESONATES" with "something" inside us, doesn't it? That "something" is the "God-connection" He placed in His human creation. We call it, "Conscience." We do have a natural, "hard-wired," ability and inclination to recognize truth. To respond to truth. To act with truth as our guide. This in-born, Creator-gift within us, is challenged mightily by the sin and imperfection bequeathed to us by our first parents. This is the constant, on-going struggle the apostle Paul (Romans, chapter 7) and so many other Bible writers spoke of, or alluded to, throughout the Scriptures.

Here are a few nuances of meaning for the words resonant/resonance.

Deep and rich in sound. Resounding. Causing echoes or reverberations. Producing an increasing amplication of sound, as through sympathetic vibrations.

It might be worth noting, in passing, that physicists have, for some time now, understood that everything in the physical world, -- all matter, and all energy, -- are reducible to, ... Resonance. Oscillations. Vibrations. Wave lengths. And, those on the cutting edge of research into String Theory (which I have often referred to as, "Millenium Physics,") are slowly coming to terms with the inescapable fact that even "time" and "space" (the other presently-recognized constituents of physical reality), can be reduced, and defined in terms of, ... Resonance. But, I digress.

The point I am seeking to establish is that, just as Jah is the God of Truth, so is He the Giver of Resonance. He is the Source of all Truth; and, He is the Creator of Resonance. Truth and Resonance are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have one without the other. Have you ever heard someone refer to having a "gut feeling," about something? That feeling in the "gut," is Resonance. An intuitive recognition of, Truth.

We have the innate capacity to recognize Truth. With our mind. With our heart. In our "gut." It is the Gift from God for those who earnestly keep seeking, keep searching, and keep digging. With humility and pure motive.
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Hi Everybody! :) An observation: When someone seems disproportionately volatile, explosive, overly-defensive of their positions, on a regular basis, it reveals something quite significant about that one. Something which, in all likelihood, they are not yet able to recognize and deal with, themselves. What is that? It is the fact that they are deeply troubled within themselves. They are hearing inner rumblings and grumblings which are shouting, "Dissonance." And, yet, the very things producing that inner dissonance for them are the very things which they have treasured. They are the very things in which they have become deeply invested, -- emotionally, spiritually, time-and-energy-wise, and, yes, even, financially. We have spoken of it elsewhere as, "The Vested-Interest Syndrome." When a person is irrationally huffing and puffing constantly, tilting at windmills, as it were, it is a reliable indiicator that internal dissonance is afflicting them. Even if they have yet to become aware of it.

Dissonance, ... in one's belief system = Inner turmoil.
Resonance, ... in one's belief system = Inner peace.

It is well-understood in mental/emotional health circles that change does not occur overnight, but, rather, gradually, and in stages.

Awareness. ---- Acceptance. ---- Action.

Sometimes spoken of as, "The Three A's," these three steps seem to be inviolable.

"Action," cannot take place without prior "Acceptance."
"Acceptance," cannot/does not occur without prior "Awareness."

Furthermore, one cannot jump from "Awareness," into "Action," without a period of "Acceptance," intervening. If one has become "Aware" of dissonance, ... that is when the "grieving," begins. Grief takes as long as it takes. It is different for each person. By the time a person has moved from "Awareness," into "Acceptance," ... one is fully embroiled in the process of "Spiritual Catharsis."

Oh. BTW. What precedes "Acceptance"? ----> Denial. <---- Topic for another post. (Please see the thread, "Spiritual Catharsis.")

Much LOVE to ALL! :) isomam
Thanks again ISOMAM for presenting this valuable insight and information.

:biker: gogh
Beautiful Isomam ...:clap::ok:

I can really relate to this and it gives me much insight into how others including myself relate to these things :thumbup:

Thankyou so much :friends:

Love always, LC :rose:
Thankyou for your keen words of wisdom Isomam. It leaves much room for thought and reflection. How very true! You are so ... Right On! :D

Bravo ! :clap:

OK, since wolfie asked for (and I complied) the "Spiritual Catharsis" thread to be resurrected, I am also bringing this one back up to complement it. I feel there is a fair amount of overlap and, perhaps, some synchronicity between the two threads. Thanks for your indulgence.

isomam

I would surmise that most of us here at Paradise Cafe have become quite adept at recognizing "Mixed Messages," when they come our way. We are also alert to the possibility of "Cognitive Dissonance" produced by them. We have quite a few new members and readers with us now who may not have been here for long. So, I'm dusting this thread off and bringing it back up from the archives, just in case anyone would like to have a fresh read.

iso...

Good stuff here; I remember reading it and printing it out and reading it again.

Its probably time for another 'brush-up'.

One of the things I think religion does to people, all religions, is that it encourages people to search for the 'truth' up to and until the particular religion in question is accepted and 'proved' right. Then, one is supposed to freeze themselves in time, and not seek anymore, or question anymore, which is completely contrary to scriptural admonition.

Luv ya' ISO:heartbeat::heartbeat::happyheart::heartbeat::heartbeat:


:cheer:

prop---"I get a constant busy signal, when I call you on the phone"---min
That...and the "more is better" philosophy. We're a fickle people alright. If a little bit is "good," it stands to reason that more is better...uh...er...right?

Jesus said, 'less is more'!

:shocked:

It's about time we identified what we need less of...so that we can be more. I vote for cutting religion to increase spirituality. Can I get a witness?

Well done, Iso.

Amen and...amen!

gus

isomam Wrote:
"The truth about the truth," is that "The ACTUAL Truth," is entirely free of dissonance! "The ACTUAL Truth" is "Resonant." ... "The ACTUAL Truth," produces resonance for its hearers and practicers.
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Resonance.

Resonance is a word very widely employed in a number of contexts and specialties. You will find it used with specificity in fields such as acoustics, music, physics, electricity, medicine, and chemistry, to name a few. Depending upon the context of its usage, it has a vast array of meanings. So, let's try to narrow down our meaning, here, for purposes of this discussion.

We have already (above), taken a quick look at "Mixed Messages," and the fact that they produce a state, quality, or condition of, "Dissonance." ... "Mixed Messages" would stand out in sharp contrast to, ... "Consistent, Truthful Messages." Thus, messages which are consistent and contain truth produce, "Resonance."

"Mixed Messages" produce "Dissonance."
"Consistent, TRUTHFUL Messages" produce "Resonance."



Isoman,

It seems like you are saying that upon hearing the truth we will suddenly be overwhelmed with some kind of immediate peace.

Jesus himself refrained from telling people all the truth because they were not yet able to bear it.

John 16
12 “I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present. 13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming.

Even anointed chosen ones will have enormous regrets after learning the real truth:

Matthew 24:50
50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.

Once these ones learn the truth they will weep and gnash their teeth.

Some of the anointed will think they know the truth and imagine they are rich (in wisdom) however, Jesus warns of something very different:

Revelation 3:17
17 Because you say: “I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,” but you do not know you are miserable and pitiable and poor and blind and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire that you may become rich, and white outer garments that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not become manifested, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes that you may see.

Jesus calls them blind, naked, miserable and pitiable.

After recently discerning some new truths I personally feel like a "deer caught in the headlights".

I hope you don't get too offended if I tell you that after comparing what you have posted here to what is actually written in the bible I am getting a "mixed message".

I expect however, that after pointing this out, the much desired "resonance" will not be produced.


ablebodiedman

To Prop -- the LeperKing -- min and Gus -- Fly-on-the-wall -- Montana Man:

Thanks for adding your thoughts.

To ABM: Same to you. :dontknow: All right-ey, then. :confused: Keep us posted as to how all that is workin' out for ya'. ;)

isomam Wrote:
To ABM: Same to you. :dontknow: All right-ey, then. :confused: Keep us posted as to how all that is workin' out for ya'. ;)



I could keep pumping some sunshine your way in order to sustain some resonance. :thumbsup:

Or tell the truth.


And expect some dissonance. :confused:


I think I'm seeing how this all works. ;)



ablebodiedman

Here's an example of a "Mixed Message."

About this very same time two years ago (spring of 2005), Robert King ("watchman") told all of his readers to:

"enjoy this summer, because it will be the last normal summer they will see."

TODAY, he has posted this:

Although people living in the West would never know there was a world war raging, according to the Bush admin there is. And the global war on terror is going to last a long, long time.

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/in...#entry4948

:dontknow: :confused: :dontknow: :confused: :dontknow: :confused: :dontknow:

Here's an idea: When you run across examples of blatant mixed messages and/or cognitive dissonance, ... why not post 'em here? That way, we all can sharpen our awareness. ;)
Hi isomam

Re:The quote: "And the global war on terror is going to last a long, long time."

This could be understood as describing the attitude of the Bush administration, more so than Watchmans belief...., imo. (This statement has been made by the Bush admin. I cannot comprehend Robert King believing this.) It might be a sentence/es structure thingy; possibly meant to read that..." also, according to the Bush administration, the global war on terror is going to last a long, long time."

(Robert King has accused me of quoting out of context...as a result am trying to be more aware..thanks Robert...grin)....(Therefore this is an opportunity to give 'benefit of doubt' to Him...setting an example....grin)

Thanks for the heads up, brother ISOMAM, regarding keeping on the watch for mixed messages.

This topic brings back memories of awhile back when first becoming acquainted with precious ones via Paradise Cafe. Since then, much (and many..grin) to be grateful for...(increased knowleged of scriptures and wholesome association with friends...etc.)

Christian love and appreciation,

gogh
Hi, gogh. I hope you are right. I hope I misread him. I, too, would like to give the benefit of the doubt.

In the event that I was mistaken, I publicly apologize. Mea culpa. :blush:

isomam

isomam Wrote:
Here's an idea: When you run across examples of blatant mixed messages and/or cognitive dissonance, ... why not post 'em here? That way, we all can sharpen our awareness. ;)


OK iso, How about today's WT study. 5/20/07
par. 2.... Have we not been taught that BTG will be destroyed by the UN sometime during the GT? Par 2 states that the anointed were delivered from BTG in 1919 by JC. Reference to Rev. 18:2, "She has fallen, BTG has fallen". Are we to believe that BTG "fell" in 1919? She seems to be doing fine to me!
Par. 6..."These "gifts in men"...are appointed by Jehovah and his son"...
...Since these (elders) are appointed by representatives of the Governing Body under the leadings of the Holy spirit..."
which is it????????? (notice that the GB doesn't even make the appointments anymore)
Have we not always been taught that the F&DS is represented by its GB? Now they are including the elders.....
Par.11...Today. Jesus directs us by means of the F&DS, represented by its GB and the appointed elders"...Huh????:shocked:

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