Dear friends:love:
Is the answer to this question in the bible? Can angels and demons read our minds?
I'm not trying to be freaky on you all. I would just like to see the answer. I was always taught that Jehovah can read our mind, I don't think we talked about Jesus reading our mind-maybe our hearts. And that the angels and demons can't read our minds but they watch us and try to stumble us.
Because it deals with our mind I thought it should go under science.:read: I'm looking forward to your answers.
With Sisterly Love, Debbie
AHH very funny if you think about it.
to read a mind the mind must have a thought.
Look around at the mnay around who don't seem to think at all.
can you say blank?
okk ok no more kidding.
This may help. I have seen a vidoe or two about how they are reading minds with I think MRI's that part might be false.
BUt with some type of imaging software they have and continue to learn that ones thoughts create a distinct pattern in an individuals brain.
What about weather or not the demons are much more powerfull then us or not? I mean will power not flesh.
I believe abram restled and angel and won. If demons are fallen angels then we do stand a good fighting chance against them will wise.
I imagine so. So I surmize that they cannot read our minds. Expecailly since all of creation is waiting for the sons of God to be revealed.
can humans read people some maybe can read patterns of behavoir and come up with the standard response given an individuals repetative behavior.
What happens when we give our selfs over to the Lord. I would guess to say the old patterns start to become disrupted. and it may even make us seem more unstable as know one can figure out what we will do next. "we may loose the pattern of habits we once had"
if per say we had many bad habits we may start to replace those with good ones. that would change the "MRi" of our brain and change the readable patterns.
I would guess that he knows our intent for the same kind of reasons we are habitual and the chemical patterns that a thought creates are repetable also.
I think that we have the ability to change our thinking thou. I think at the moment of change we may not be readable if that makes sense.
just some of my thoughts they don't mean much. I am sure I can confuse you thou..
:D
Dear TotalDismay,
Always like the friendship:love:. Here's a little more of what I'm thinking-
Our thoughts are invisible.
Spirit is invisible.
Would our minds thoughts be 'spiritism'?
Sending some 'say what?' right back, LOL.
With sisterly love, Debbie
Hi Debbie,
I do not know exactly. But according to the Scriptures people can get possessed by demons, demons can cause dreams and can give some knowledge directly in to the mind. So in various ways they can get in to the mind.
So the best way to avoid problems is to use the spiritual armor described in the Scriptures and pray according to the thoughts in the Lord's prayer. There Jesus said the important words to this subject:
And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’ Matthew 6:13
Best regards Jan
I think Total Dismay is on the right track. Scientists have been able to know a person's thoughts, to some degree, according to the brain activity shown on the MRI's. I'm thinking the demons can do pretty much the same thing -- coupled with their knowledge of an individual's behaviour patterns and whatnot, I think the demons can do a reasonably good job at reading our minds. :crazyeyes:
:wave:Hi Deb -
This came up on e-watchman's board a long time ago and it freaked me:shocked: out to think that maybe demons can read our minds. I totally reject the thought(hehe - I made a funny:P).
I haven't found any Biblical evidence for that assumption. They can influence our minds, and 'get in' that way - and then influence our actions. But that doesn't mean they, being external, can read our thoughts, which are internal.
I just don't believe God would allow it. I don't see the connection between what doctors do with MRI's or whatever, and demons abilities or inabilities concerning the human mind. They may observe the external consequences of our thoughts - our actions or inactions - and know from that who's 'ripe for the pickin' '... but I'm not willing to give 'em anymore than that. ;)
Some scriptures that might or might not apply ---
Romans 8:5
For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:16
For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 14:15
What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Ephesians 4:20 But you did not learn Christ in this way,
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,
22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Hebrews 8:10
" FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAELAFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Revelation 2:23
'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.(I have not found any verses to support the theory that Satan or demons can read minds and heart this way - they tempt us with what all humans are tempted with, and some respond favorably, but some don't.:pray:)
Luke 10:27
And he answered, " YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
:no: I just don't believe God would allow it.
:heartbeat:Love to you Sis Debbie:love: and to all. :grouphug:
:peace:
Hi Deb,
I do think that to some degree our minds can be a part of spiritism.
lets say we use our mind to do something in the extrasensory range.
I think at this point in time we are stepping into a range that may only lead to danger. we cannot control ourselves or ego's or even our steps according to our father. While I do believe it possible to use our minds for good in some of these "extra" category's I don't believe it is what we should be pursueing as it is similar to "knowing good and bad" as far as I can tell.
I hope that is more along the lines of where you are going.
And WILLA,
Just to clarify, I too think the demons cannot read our mind. as I did state that in my first reply.
BUt I think that if they could somehow hook up to our minds and see the same patterns that these machines are reading. and they wanted to keep a log of our choices based on the patterns they would have a very very close idea of what we are thinking or are going to do. We are a bio mechanical organizm it seems to me that our will power is what has to battle the chemical reaction within when we are very hungry we are driven to find food. when we are afraid I believe they say we have a fight or flight response. Those reactions are going to be a constant "repetable" in someone without willpower.
As a side point Our father allows us to be tested and we are drawn out by our own desires.
What is the difference? if they know what our desires are or what we are thinking?
The stumbling blocks that are picked are on a very individual basis are they not? if they are only based on our desires it would still be as much or more of a pull on us then if if was just a passing thought in our mind?
Do you see what I mean?
Cain murdered his brother GOD foresaw this and tried to warn him.
It was much more then a thought.
the script about have DESIRE for a woman in our heart also backs this up. Just looking at a buetifull woman is much different thinking WOW she is pretty doesn't cuase us to sin.
So I guess to me even if they new my thoughts they cannot do anything to me. It is the things I "wish" or desire that they are most interested in.
I am not sure but I think this is where physcology comes in.
if I wasn't loved as a boy I might desire that which I feel I was missing.
My actions to get what I thought I was missing cause all sorts of injurius things to happen to other people if we Don't have a Love of our Father.
I have always looked at it this way.
They know OUR BUTTONS. as they may have put the blocks in front of us to INSTALL THEM.
Hi Debbie
Over here in the UK there is a guy called Derren Brown who is a mentalist who performs tricks like "mind reading" and other stuff. Basically, he uses a lot of techniques from fields like NLP, hypnosis, and other areas - plus, he has a phenomenal memory.
It is possible to read a person from such things as the way their face moves, and even little movements of the throat!... so although it's not "mind reading" in the sense that you meant it, I imagine the demons would be pretty could at "reading" people, because most of our more important thoughts are physically expressed somehow.
So bottom line is... I don't know whether they can "read minds" in the sense that you meant it, but I imagine it's easy for them to know what's on our minds, because of the many "tells" that we humans have :)
Personally, I think they'd get pretty bored reading MY mind, and would probably prefer to go and haunt some house or something.
Hi Deb,
For sure Satan knows how people think and he knows the weaknesses of human beings. That's how he tempts us. But getting into their brain? It's a no-no in my opinion (humble).
I don't believe he knows our inner thoughts - I'm sure Jehovah has put a block on that. Otherwise, our prayers would be endangered.
Going back in time: He (Satan) wouldn't waste his time on tempting Job and Jesus if he already knew their thoughts.
I believe Satan watches us of course, our path, conduct in life. Then he pounces like the case of Judas when Satan entered him. By this I don't mean demonic possession as Judas courted deliberate sinful thoughts which caused him to be vulnerable to be manipulated, yet fully responsible for his actions.
Tessa
The thing with brain activity is, it's all electrically powered. Because of this, each thought or action we do stimulates the electrical system in the brain, causing certain electrical pathways to "light up" for a fraction of a second and causes "brain waves". The which pathways light up are dependent upon which thought or activity the person is doing. This is how scientists can see thoughts on MRIs , this is also how EEGs work with brain wave patterns. Of course, this doesn't mean the thoughts and activity process is completely known --but the doctors can tell the gist of what's going on due to the brain activity.
Here are a couple of interesting articles to read:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7304
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archi...ead-minds/
Think about this: If mere humans can tap into the surface of mind reading through MRI, how much more so can demons?
But this thought doesn't scare me. So what if they can read my mind to some degree? I mean, what do they care if I'm thinking about going to the store or watching a tv program? I'm not worried about what they can see me think, I'm more concerned about identifying when they want to plant thoughts in. Mind reading isn't the issue, it's the thought planting we need to beware of.:fear:
Hi Debbie
Over here in the UK there is a guy called Derren Brown who is a mentalist who performs tricks like "mind reading" and other stuff. Basically, he uses a lot of techniques from fields like NLP, hypnosis, and other areas - plus, he has a phenomenal memory.
It is possible to read a person from such things as the way their face moves, and even little movements of the throat!... so although it's not "mind reading" in the sense that you meant it, I imagine the demons would be pretty could at "reading" people, because most of our more important thoughts are physically expressed somehow.
So bottom line is... I don't know whether they can "read minds" in the sense that you meant it, but I imagine it's easy for them to know what's on our minds, because of the many "tells" that we humans have :)
Personally, I think they'd get pretty bored reading MY mind, and would probably prefer to go and haunt some house or something.
Probably, that made me laugh. The demons do have a weird sense of humour.
I actually lived in a haunted house. It was built in 1730, though age of property is not necessarily a determining factor.
My ex husband exacerbated the problem. One evening he was playing Under The Bridge from the album Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic. We were in the music industry, nevertheless I preferred that he not play that music in the house.
That night unbeknowst to me, he left the album in our bedroom. I had the most awful dreams of being physically attacked by a demon in that bedroom. I woke up and sat up in bed and prayed for a peaceful night. Whilst praying my prayers were being jammed. American style vile swearing kept being interjected into my words whilst trying to talk to my father. I persevered and after about ten minutes I was able to pray, no more nasty words, felt calm and had a good night's sleep.
In the morning I discovered the CD in our bedroom, with lyrics containing swearing using words similar to those being pushed into my prayers.
I have had many spiritual experiences, most good and some bad, but I thought this would help answer some questions.
I don't think the demons can actually read our minds, particularly when we are talking to our father, but I do think they can put things into our minds and prayer is a protection.
When we are on our own I suspect we are very easy to read, too easy for a Darren Brown, particularly if we talk to ourselves, unaware that we are being scrutinised by invisible forces.
Even if they can read our minds, we need to be concerned more with what Jesus is reading, as he is now the judge.
vicky
Totaldismay said:
Do you see what I mean?
:yes:Yes, yes I do, and I agree, my dear brother! You explained it very well.:friends:
:peace:
Dear Vicky,
That was very brave of you to share an experience that would make someone run from the thread! LOL.:love: I think you hit the head on the nail of part of what I'm talking about. Melancholymouse got part of it, too. I am just tired of spiritual reality not being discussed openly. We are under spiritual warfare, and assumely that we are never going to get 'hit' seems to not prepare anyone for the truth.
Willa, sis:love: I loved your scriptures! I read your post on Saturday evening and have been taking care of my family. I couldn't wait to get back to the forum today. Forum addiction can just be added to my arsenal of problems.:D
It seems that the bible says (Eph 6:16) above all things, take up the large sheild of faith with which you will be able to quench all the wicked one's burning missiles.
I started this thread for two reasons. One is from 'twittering' and the other is because I want to discuss the differences between mind, heart and spirit.
Has anyone seen and/or tried the new 'twittering' fad? Its a way to send IM's to everyone all the times. All of these threads and thoughts and peoples lives being tossed back and forth at instand speed. Electronic information on nitrous.
Well, I'm of the conclusion that the demons can read our mind. I believe this because of "mind planting". I believe its possible and happens to me alot. I could be saying a prayer and a dirty thought comes in my mind, or I could get a bad thought that is not true about my child. I just don't like that we, as people, do not admit that we can be given thoughts or bad spirit "impressions" put upon us. Its embarrassing to say that I can get afflicted like this, but its honest. For example: I answer the phone for a living. I started to be able to guess age, height, weight, hair color and eye color of a potential applicant just from hearing their voice for a sentence or two. At first I chalked it up to experience, I've worked in sales long enough to have heard enough voices to relate a voice with a stereotype. But, then, I started to feel unconfortable about it. After questioning myself enough times, I prayed over and over. Now, I try to block any information when taking a call and wait it out for my questioning. I called it profiling, but the truth is I wasn't right all the time (but most of the time, I was) and I just see it as a spirit of prediction because of the way 'things' popped into my head. With faith and prayer, it stays away. I did mention it to a woman and she said to cherish it, it was a "gift". I decided it wasn't "a gift" because I'm not supposed to be able to "predict" anything. The woman was upset with me over my not "appreciating the gift from God". My heart and mind gave over to faith that I should "block" the information. So I would say that my experience is an experience of a real "spiritual attack".
Can anyone answer: what are the defining meanings of the words: heart, mind and spirit? Whats the difference between our heart and our spirit? And if we aren't supposed to understand the "fourth dimension" of the spiritual existance, why are we supposed to do so many things in "spirit"?
Thank you everyone who participated on the thread.:heartbeat:
With Sisterly Love, Debbie
PS. I'm sorry for the "uncomfortable factor" that this thread might bring. I am praying and hoping that something will come out of the discussion that will be beneficial.
I'm sorry for the "uncomfortable factor" that this thread might bring. I am praying and hoping that something will come out of the discussion that will be beneficial.
Don't worry about the "uncomfortable" factor -- if we all stuck to comfort we wouldn't get anywhere in life!
Dear Vicky,
That was very brave of you to share an experience that would make someone run from the thread! LOL.:love: I think you hit the head on the nail of part of what I'm talking about. Melancholymouse got part of it, too. I am just tired of spiritual reality not being discussed openly. We are under spiritual warfare, and assumely that we are never going to get 'hit' seems to not prepare anyone for the truth.
Firstly I love your expressions.
I have had more angelic experiences than demonic, so I am not scared to express them. Witnesses seem to think anything supernatural that does not fit in with their theology must come from the 'dark side'. I have even met witnesses, including elders, who doubt demonic or angelic intervention. I am amazed at how unspiritual some 'christians' can be.
Last night a friend was praying, and before he finished the prayer, it was miraculously answered. Many of us don't talk about these things in case we appear daft or even worse see others gradually backing away.
My experiences have let me know the amazing sense of humour Jesus and our Father have. If others have prayed intently and feel they have not had an answer, I fear that if I bounce onto the board like a spiritual Tigger, and give my experiences, that may be more discouraging than encouraging.
Persevere and pray knowing your father will answer.
love vicky