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ARMAGEDDON

REVELATION 16:16 - "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue, Armageddon."

If we accept this verse literally, as stated; we would expect the kings of the whole world to a small place called Meggido in the Jezereel valley of Israel, along with their armies. The kings lived prior to WW1, they are gone now. In 1910, ten kings walked behind the casket of the King of England in London. By 1920 all of these ten kings were gone, no longer in power. This scripture was fulfilled in WW1. 1914 to 1918. No kings and their armies ever went to Meggido.
Thus the literal explanation of this verse is NOT what we must understand.

Revelation is filled with symbolic words, therefore it is reasonable to assume that there must be a symbolic word in this verse.

It is the word "place" which has the symbolic meaning of "condition", not location.

The Kings were drawn into a condition, NOT a location. The condition was that of making alliances and treaties of co-defense with other nations. This brought them into WW 1. This condition has not gone away, it still exists.

The kingdoms rendezvoused in warfare because of this condition.
They did not rendezvous at Megiddo in Israel, but in the trenches of France.
Armageddon is not a war! STEAM Psalm 50:5

Steam Wrote:

Armageddon is not a war! STEAM Psalm 50:5

Hi STEAM,

Not to be confused but was not the purpose of the gathering place of Revelation 16:16 as stated in verse 14: "the war of the great day of God the Almighty?"

in Christ,

sw

Besides Steam,
It doesn't speak about "ten Kings", but "Ten horns." There is a difference between the two. Furthermore, it specifically says "kings" instead of "kingdoms." Which differ from eachother.

However, whether it says kings or kingdoms you might be write that they are all but gone. Problem is, the ten horns are still there. Revelation is precise.

:heartbeat:

AR

Hi Steam

Steam Wrote:

If we accept this verse literally, as stated; we would expect the kings of the whole world to a small place called Meggido in the Jezereel valley of Israel, along with their armies. The kings lived prior to WW1, they are gone now. In 1910, ten kings walked behind the casket of the King of England in London. By 1920 all of these ten kings were gone, no longer in power. This scripture was fulfilled in WW1. 1914 to 1918. No kings and their armies ever went to Meggido.
Thus the literal explanation of this verse is NOT what we must understand.

"And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast." (Rev 17:12)

"After this I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! a fourth beast... it had ten horns." (Dan 7:7)

"As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth... and as for the ten horns, out of that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up." (Dan 7:23,24)

Steam, the "ten horns" in Daniel and Revelation are the same, and they come out of the Roman empire, the 4th kingdom of Daniel 7.

In John's day, they were the kings in the Roman empire who did not have their own independent kingdoms, but were subject to Caesar.

These kings eventually received their own kingdoms, and in later times, eventually turned on the great harlot that rode them for centuries. (I'm sure I don't have to tell you the identity of the great harlot!)

So while the kings you mentioned may have gone, the "kings" that formed part of the Roman empire some 2,000 years ago are still here.

Incidentally, it's worth noting that the one giving the vision to Daniel uses kings and kingdoms interchangeably - for example, compare Daniel 7, verse 17 with verse 23.

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It is the word "place" which has the symbolic meaning of "condition", not location.

The Kings were drawn into a condition, NOT a location. The condition was that of making alliances and treaties of co-defense with other nations. This brought them into WW 1. This condition has not gone away, it still exists.

The kingdoms rendezvoused in warfare because of this condition.
They did not rendezvous at Megiddo in Israel, but in the trenches of France.
Armageddon is not a war!

But as smolderin' has pointed out, they are being gathered to the "WAR of the great day of God the Almighty", not the CONDITION of the great day :D

smoldering wick Wrote:

Steam Wrote:

Armageddon is not a war! STEAM Psalm 50:5

Hi STEAM,

Not to be confused but was not the purpose of the gathering place of Revelation 16:16 as stated in verse 14: "the war of the great day of God the Almighty?"

in Christ,

sw

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Steam says YES! But the gathering process is Armageddon, NOT the war.
You are accepting the literal words which means he gathered them to Megiddo in Israel and that has never happened and will not happen, because the time has passed.

AlienResident Wrote:

Besides Steam,
It doesn't speak about "ten Kings", but "Ten horns." There is a difference between the two. Furthermore, it specifically says "kings" instead of "kingdoms." Which differ from eachother.

However, whether it says kings or kingdoms you might be write that they are all but gone. Problem is, the ten horns are still there. Revelation is precise.

:heartbeat:

AR

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Steam says, I agree Revelation is very precise but you are quoting Daniel, NOT the Revelation.

Daniel 7:4-8
The four beasts which God gave permission to rule are given in these verses.
7:4 - Babylon
7:5 - Medes&Persians
7:6 - Greece
7:7 - Pagan Rome
7:8 - Papal Rome,the Little Horn

Revelation 17:10 - And there are seven kings (kingdoms); five are fallen; (Babylon, Medes& Persians, Greece, Pagan Rome, Papal Rome.) and one is,(England #6) and the other is not yet come (USA #7); and when he (USA) cometh, he must continue a short space."
(11) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." (4th Beast, Pagan Rome returns as The European Union)

Horn is a symbolic word for power. Kingdoms are powers. so horn and kingdom correspond. The power behind the throne is the King.
I hope this helps to answer you doubt.

Interpretum Wrote:

Hi Steam

Steam Wrote:

If we accept this verse literally, as stated; we would expect the kings of the whole world to a small place called Meggido in the Jezereel valley of Israel, along with their armies. The kings lived prior to WW1, they are gone now. In 1910, ten kings walked behind the casket of the King of England in London. By 1920 all of these ten kings were gone, no longer in power. This scripture was fulfilled in WW1. 1914 to 1918. No kings and their armies ever went to Meggido.
Thus the literal explanation of this verse is NOT what we must understand.

"And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast." (Rev 17:12)
Steam says these ten horns have not received a kingdom but will in the days of the returned fourth beast, the European Union #8. Still future while the other ten kings have been already gathered back in 1914, and are now gone.

"After this I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! a fourth beast... it had ten horns." (Dan 7:7)
Steam says, Note that these ten horns are on the fourth beast (Pagan Rome)

"As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth... and as for the ten horns, out of that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up." (Dan 7:23,24)

Steam, the "ten horns" in Daniel and Revelation are the same, and they come out of the Roman empire, the 4th kingdom of Daniel 7.
Steam I should have added the above statement about the returned Pagan Roman Empire because these last ten kings in the Revelation do not get power at the same time as the first ten kings in Daniel.

(Interpretum)
In John's day, they were the kings in the Roman empire who did not have their own independent kingdoms, but were subject to Caesar.

These kings eventually received their own kingdoms, and in later times, eventually turned on the great harlot that rode them for centuries. (I'm sure I don't have to tell you the identity of the great harlot!)

So while the kings you mentioned may have gone, the "kings" that formed part of the Roman empire some 2,000 years ago are still here.

Incidentally, it's worth noting that the one giving the vision to Daniel uses kings and kingdoms interchangeably - for example, compare Daniel 7, verse 17 with verse 23.

Quote:

From Steam
It is the word "place" which has the symbolic meaning of "condition", not location.

The Kings were drawn into a condition, NOT a location. The condition was that of making alliances and treaties of co-defense with other nations. This brought them into WW 1. This condition has not gone away, it still exists.

The kingdoms rendezvoused in warfare because of this condition.
They did not rendezvous at Megiddo in Israel, but in the trenches of France.
Armageddon is not a war!

Interpretum
But as smolderin' has pointed out, they are being gathered to the "WAR of the great day of God the Almighty", not the CONDITION of the great day :D

Steam, Yes the nations were being gathered to the war but the gathering process ends in the condition called Armageddon or mountain rendezvous, kingdom rendezvous by the making of alliances and treaties of co-defense. The USA has treaties of co-defense with other nations which will draw it into war should the nations be attacked. Same with many nations today.

Steam Wrote:

Interpretum Wrote:

Hi Steam

Steam Wrote:

If we accept this verse literally, as stated; we would expect the kings of the whole world to a small place called Meggido in the Jezereel valley of Israel, along with their armies. The kings lived prior to WW1, they are gone now. In 1910, ten kings walked behind the casket of the King of England in London. By 1920 all of these ten kings were gone, no longer in power. This scripture was fulfilled in WW1. 1914 to 1918. No kings and their armies ever went to Meggido.
Thus the literal explanation of this verse is NOT what we must understand.

"And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast." (Rev 17:12)
Steam says these ten horns have not received a kingdom but will in the days of the returned fourth beast, the European Union #8. Still future while the other ten kings have been already gathered back in 1914, and are now gone.

"After this I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! a fourth beast... it had ten horns." (Dan 7:7)
Steam says, Note that these ten horns are on the fourth beast (Pagan Rome)

"As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth... and as for the ten horns, out of that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up." (Dan 7:23,24)

Steam, the "ten horns" in Daniel and Revelation are the same, and they come out of the Roman empire, the 4th kingdom of Daniel 7.
Steam I should have added the above statement about the returned Pagan Roman Empire because these last ten kings in the Revelation do not get power at the same time as the first ten kings in Daniel.

(Interpretum)
In John's day, they were the kings in the Roman empire who did not have their own independent kingdoms, but were subject to Caesar.

These kings eventually received their own kingdoms, and in later times, eventually turned on the great harlot that rode them for centuries. (I'm sure I don't have to tell you the identity of the great harlot!)

So while the kings you mentioned may have gone, the "kings" that formed part of the Roman empire some 2,000 years ago are still here.

Incidentally, it's worth noting that the one giving the vision to Daniel uses kings and kingdoms interchangeably - for example, compare Daniel 7, verse 17 with verse 23.

Quote:

From Steam
It is the word "place" which has the symbolic meaning of "condition", not location.

The Kings were drawn into a condition, NOT a location. The condition was that of making alliances and treaties of co-defense with other nations. This brought them into WW 1. This condition has not gone away, it still exists.

The kingdoms rendezvoused in warfare because of this condition.
They did not rendezvous at Megiddo in Israel, but in the trenches of France.
Armageddon is not a war!

Interpretum
But as smolderin' has pointed out, they are being gathered to the "WAR of the great day of God the Almighty", not the CONDITION of the great day :D

Steam, Yes the nations were being gathered to the war but the gathering process ends in the condition called Armageddon or mountain rendezvous, kingdom rendezvous by the making of alliances and treaties of co-defense. The USA has treaties of co-defense with other nations which will draw it into war should the nations be attacked. Same with many nations today.

Also, look into the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries in the back of Strong's Concordance Greek # 717 and Hebrew 2022 and 4023.
Har means mountain (kingdom) and Megiddo means rendezvous. The kings did rendezvous in warfare in 1914.