Here is today's Watchtower Study article. It is titled " Appreciate Jesus' Unique Role In God's Purpose" and as usual is taken from Br James's thread at the e-JW site.
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Bangalore
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Bangalore
paragraphs 11-14 are innerestin', aren't they, bro bangalore? :readthis: typical watchtower spin. :rant:
i gots some news for the wt boys and girls. ;) jesus is
my mediator, too! :fightingmad:
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and they
still refuse to acknowledge jesus' divine essence; :( jesus' divine nature! :(
Thanks brother Bangalore for making available to us again the wt-study article for this week. :thumbsup:
I read trought the article. It contained a lot of good things.
But one big lack is that they did not give any attention to Jesus' most common title, the Lord.
I looked up in the Comprehensive Concordance of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures to see how often in the Scriptures the title Lord appears. It was aproximately 300 times.
But this title is very seldom used by the WT-society in our day's. In old publications you can still find the use of this title. But why have they stopped to use it in a frecuent way, in the manner of the disciples of Jesus?
How can we have the right attitude toward Jesus if it is not stressed that he is our Lord?
9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. -Philipians 2:11 (NWT)
But this right attidude can only be as a result of the holy spirit.
Apostle Paul says: "nobody can say: “Jesus is Lord!†except by holy spirit."-1 Corinthians 12:3 (NWT)
Best regards Jan
The paragraph 7 says about Jesus:
He always directs attention to Jehovah rather than to himself.(...) Appreciation for Jesus' example of humility should move us to avoid speaking of our own initiative. When it comes to conveying lifsaving message in the Scriptures, we do not want to "go beyond the things that are written."-1 Cor. 4:6.
Really good points :thumbup: But who then directs attention to himself claiming to be a dircreet and faithful slave?
And what advice did Jesus our Master say to his slaves?
10 So YOU, also, when YOU have done all the things assigned to YOU, say, ‘We are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done.’â€- Luke 17:10
In the Proverbs you can find a similar thought:
2 May a stranger, and not your own mouth, praise you; may a foreigner, and not your own lips, do so.- Proverbs 27:2
Therefore, those who boasts that they are a faithful and discreet slave, surely are not especially faithful and discreet.
The paragraph 21 says:
However, this unique Son of God who became Jesus has always humbly served in harmony with the will of his Father, never seeking glory for himself. (John 5:41;8:50) What an outstanding example for us today! Like Jesus, may we make it our goal to "do all things for God's glory."-1 Cor.10:31
How much better it would be if those taking the lead in the WT-society lived as they teach!
How can we have the right attitude toward Jesus if it is not stressed that he is our Lord?
But this right attidude can only be as a result of the holy spirit.
Apostle Paul says: "nobody can say: “Jesus is Lord!†except by holy spirit."-1 Corinthians 12:3 (NWT)
Best regards Jan
This phrase has been repeated by many as a sign that they have holy spirit, as if staking their claim. It's become a kind of magic phrase, often inserted strangely into conversations without warning or reason. But the surrounding verses show what Paul really meant. There's a brief article on 1st Corinthians 12:3 which might help on this.
Acts5v29
paragraphs 11-14 are innerestin', aren't they, bro bangalore? :readthis: typical watchtower spin. :rant:
i gots some news for the wt boys and girls. ;) jesus is
my mediator, too! :fightingmad:
################################
and they
still refuse to acknowledge jesus' divine essence; :( jesus' divine nature! :(
Yeah, I totally agree!
What I don't get about their wording, is that they say the "Earth" people aren't participants, they are simply beneficiaries....well, if they are beneficiaries, doesn't that mean Jesus really does mediate for them as well???????:confused:
They are kind of lumping active Witnesses in with the unbelieving world who will be resurrected.
So many religions try to run these schemes (scams) that promote elite-ism. Jesus said 'come to me all of you'.
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paragraphs 11-14 are innerestin', aren't they, bro bangalore? :readthis: typical watchtower spin. :rant:
i gots some news for the wt boys and girls. ;) jesus is
my mediator, too! :fightingmad:
################################
and they
still refuse to acknowledge jesus' divine essence; :( jesus' divine nature! :(
Yeah, I totally agree!
What I don't get about their wording, is that they say the "Earth" people aren't participants, they are simply beneficiaries....well, if they are beneficiaries, doesn't that mean Jesus really does mediate for them as well???????:confused:
"[God's] will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth."
--1 Timothy 2:4, NWT.
This is such a sensitive subject for me. What is? The religiously-motivated theological fraud which they continue to commit, shamelessly. If you look at 1 Timothy 2:4 -- in their own Kingdom Interlinear, -- there is no hint of "all sorts of men" in the original Greek. Just ... "all men."
In the next verse (verse five), even they are forced to admit that ...
"There is one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus."
I know we have discussed this dozens of times before here at Paradise Cafe; but it still infuriates me. Well-intentioned people in Watchtower Religion are still allowing their minds to be blinded by the "god of this system of things."--2 Corinthians 4:4.
isomam
Hi Acts5v29,
I read your nice article,
When some members of the different churches say: "Jesus is Lord",
What would they reply if you asked them what do you mean with Lord?
Wouldn't the say he is God, He is the same as Jehovah, He is the trinity God?
So that shows that they do not mean the same thing as Paul meant, and therefore their saying Jesus is Lord is not from holy spirit.
But have you not noticed that the Jehovah's witnesses are not attracted by addressing Jesus as Lord?
Christian love
Jan
In the next verse (verse five), even they are forced to admit that ...
"There is one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus."
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I just came from the meeting, and one brother commented this matter and clearly stated that Jesus is a mediator only for 144 000. He mentioned that this is very clearly stated in the Insight on the Scriptures.
Everyone seemed like they lost their mediator. The WT-conductor had no comment.
Now I checked what's stated in the Insight-book. It says on page 362, vol.2:
While Jesus' mediatorship operates solely toward those in the new covenant, he is also God's High Priest and the Seed of Abraham.
Who do they say are in the new covenant? The same page say: "He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel. (Heb 8:10-13; 12:24; Eph 5:25-27)(.....)He assists those who are to be brought into the new covenant to be 'adopted' into Jehovah's household of spiritual sons; these eventually will be in heaven as Christ's brothers, becoming a part with him of the seed of Abraham."
(All quations from NWT)
Just see what Heb 8:10-13 says:
10 “‘For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,’ says Jehovah. ‘I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people. 11 “‘And they will by no means teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying: “Know Jehovah!†For they will all know me, from [the] least one to [the] greatest one of them. 12 For I shall be merciful to their unrighteous deeds, and I shall by no means call their sins to mind anymore.’â€
13 In his saying “a new [covenant]†he has made the former one obsolete. Now that which is made obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away.
So those who are not in the new covenant will not get the laws of Jehovah into their mind and heart. And they will not be the people of God.
If WT says that their non-anointed christian members are not in the new covenant, they should not regard them as God's people either. Neither would the laws of Jehovah God get into their mind and heart.
That can't be true! Instead the new covenant is for every christian. But the covenant of a kingdom is only for 144 000.
28 “However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel. Luke 22:28-30
Your brother Jan
Thankyou Bangalore for putting this up
1 Tim. 2:5,6...there is one Mediator between God and men
I can't get past the fact that the WTS teaches Christ isn't everyones mediator...as seen in the scriptures...there is only one mediator between God and men.
I see no certain group or peoples that Christ is mediator to...only the word men is used:confused:
I know that Christ Jesus is my mediator and that I'm in the NC and I should be partaking...how do we have our sins forgiven if we aren't in Christ and he in us...how can we walk in newness of life:confused:
If Christ isn't our Mediator ...who is...we have to have a mediator to make intercession for us to the Father
Oh dear and as was pointed out...no reference to Christ Jesus as our Lord ...so disappointing to me...also as isomam pointed out....where is anything in regards Jesus deity.
What are we to do....I had such high hopes that things were changing....want so badly to gather somewhere....this is very distressing that it's still same old,same old.
Christ Jesus is Mediator for all....All are in the NC...All should partake and we should be able to call Christ Jesus our Lord and our Savior...yet there is never anyone at the KH or otherwise who addresses Christ as Lord
In Christ