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I've met Scriptures on prophecies about Israel, and I have drawn some conclusions on how they are linked to today's Israel.

Yesturday again on the news, they told about Israel and the war there with the palestines on Gaza. They said that the israelies want war, or even more war. They told that, one of the primeministercandidates even sugested to use atomic bombs on the palestines!
Just imagin in what kind of mood they are there!
If they really will use atomic bombs against Hamas, I'm sure muslims around the world will want to retaliate on Israel with the same. Already Pakistan and soon Iran will have atomic bombs.
If they would destroy today's Israel with nuclear weapons, how would some Bible prophecies be fullfilled?

There is a prophecy in Ezekiel chapter 38 wich indicates that today's Israel will be destroyed once more and then a second time be attaced by Gog. It is said according to the New World Translation,( the rest of the quoted scriptures are from this translation too):

8 “‘“After many days you will be given attention. In the final part of the years you will come to the land [of people] brought back from the sword, collected together out of many peoples, onto the mountains of Israel, that have proved to be a constantly devastated place; even [a land] that has been brought forth from the peoples, [where] they have dwelt in security, all of them.

the mountains of Israel, that have proved to be a constantly devastated place;
Are the mountains of Israel a devastated place now? No, not yet, but surely they would become that if Israel first bombs with nuclear weapons Gaza and then muslims nations that have nuclearweapons retaliate on Israel.

After that the mountains of Israel would surely be for a long time "a constantly devastated place", I believe for 70 years again.

The verse 12 repeats the thought: It will be to get a big spoil and to do much plundering, in order to turn your hand back upon devastated places reinhabited and upon a people gathered together out of the nations, [one] that is accumulating wealth and property, [those] who are dwelling in the center of the earth.

But what does it mean that the devastated places will be "reinhabited [with] people gathered together out of the nations, [one] that is accumulating wealth and property, [those] who are dwelling in the center of the earth."?

We who have been or are Jehovah's witnesses, surely remember how the WT-society explains this. That we are this people wich is gathered together and that we are accumulating spiritual wealth and property.
But I can not fully believe this explaination. I agree though that this people refers to today's Jehovah God's people. And I believe that it is the anointed ones, because they are the real Israel, Abraham's seed.

Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise. Galatians 3:29

But the other sheep mentioned by Jesus in John 10:16, are also a part of Jehovah's people. Therefore I believe that they too are included in the people gathered together out of the nations, to the mountains of Israel, wich is accumulating wealth and property, [those] who are dwelling in the center of the earth.

Of course if Jehovah's witnesses who, claim to be the real Israel will go to Israel after 70 years of davastation, then other israelies by flesh would like to go to Israel too. In this way they would become one people. Then they would have a great work to accomplish, to build the great magnificent temple from Ezekiels vision. Then all the prophecies about Israel would get their fullfillment. Finaly also the attact of Gog of the land Magog.



Best regards
Jan
Dear brother Jan,

You have touched something very close to my heart:heartbeat:
The sons of Jacob or Israel:hug:

"I tell the truth in Christt, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing witness in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart." Romans 9:1, 2

The apostle Paul probably never realized how long this situation of alienation of the sons of Jacob will last otherwise he would have grieved more.

I have great faith and hope from El Shaddai God Almighty who is the greatest keeper of promises and loving bonding. He called Israel His firstborn, how can He think of leaving them out of his promise.

The Israelites are very much included in Jehovah's plan they are the first "nation of priests and kings":heartbeat:

"who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises; of whom the fathers and from whom according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen." Romans 1:4, 5

The mere fact that Christ came from the Jacob is enough to make sure Jehovah will not forget forever, but a curtain has fallen over the whole nation. The curtain will be removed in one day that day will be the day of the LORD also referred to as 'the time of Jacob's trouble.'

That day when all the nations of the world surrond them when there will be no one to help and support them. They will be surrounded by enemies who would be after their blood. That day they will have to cry to Him and he will send His Mighty One.

That day the whole nation will weep bitterly for Him as one weeps over the death of his one and only son!

Romans chapter 9-11 make it absolutely clear that God has blinded the Israelites for 2000 years to provoke them to jealousy by means a foolish nation 'the Gentiles'

It is the Gentile Church of Jesus Christ who should by their ultimate faith in the Lord Jesus and their absolute love that they will have to witness when all the nations turn against the Jews which will decide on which side of our Lord we shall be found for the Jews are his brothers even a smallest one is so precious to Jesus my Lord.

We the gentile church have a great responsibility to incite the Jews to godly jealousy by having Jesus as Lord and by showing a selfsacrificing love for God His Son and Jews his brothers:grouphug:

Amen!

your brother in Christ
Farhat Zubair


Hi brothers..

It is indeed a terible thing that Isreal is doing to the Palestines.. Not God-like at all. I do not think the mountains of Isreal are the literal land of Isreal nor do I think it's the JW's.. (far from it). I do think it is the USA. The think in my mind that makes me think this, is that spiritual Isreal would be christians and the center of the earth, and that it would be the center or world power of the christian world , among other things. Also in Ez. 38 and 39, God appoints Gog to attack this people as they have strayed. Then he turns and has Gog killed. When the Jews killed Jesus, he left them as a nation. Now the christians are his nation. In Rom. that you quoted, it does say that in the end God will have mercy again on the Jews and everyone else, but IMO this does not mean that he will turn favor on them again as a nation. They were only to be Kings and Priests IF they were faithful, which they were not. God has gone way beyond having the Jews as his nation. On the second coming, Jesus will call all people back to himself (if they want it).

Just my 2 cents.. :secret:
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Hi brothers..

It is indeed a terible thing that Isreal is doing to the Palestines.. Not God-like at all.

Hi dear New Truth,

What the USA is doing to the rest of the world all of it is very un GOD-LIKE:giverose:

Nowadays what I believe (my pet theory:heartbeat:)

That Israel is literal sons of Judah from whom our Lord came

UK, USA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND and wherever the Anglo Saxons are is Ephraim the lost 10 tribes

Both do not except eachother openly as such but a time will come 'time of Jacob's trouble' when the Lord will make the brothers manifest to each other.

What is called getile church is a vast mixture of Ephraim and gentiles, until a class of people (The Church of End-time) does not come out of them that shows exemplary Christ like behavior the world in general and Israel in particular will not be impressed (Jealous) and then the merger will come:grouphug:

As I say its my pet theory:D
Farhat Zubair
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