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By Jeffery M. Leving and Glenn Sacks

January 21, 2007 Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune :hug:

The recent census data finding that for the first time the majority of American women are unmarried is being greeted in a largely celebratory tone. One newspaper explains, "Who needs a man? Not most women." MSNBC warns, "Watch out, men! More women opt to live alone." CBS says, "More women saying `I don't.'" One newspaper cartoon depicts a happily divorced woman remembering her ex-husband bellowing, "Where's my dinner?! Iron my shirts!! Lose weight!!!" Several others depict women pondering the single life as their fat, lazy husbands drink beer and watch TV sports. One female blogger summed up the female blogosphere's reaction--"Hurray for all single women! You go girls!"

The message is clear--men don't measure up, and are no longer needed nor often even wanted. Since women have careers now, we are told, men's traditional contribution--financial support--has become largely irrelevant, and men do not now nor did they ever contribute much more than that.

In reality, men give a lot to their families--as much as women do. The current trend away from marriage and toward divorce and/or remaining single has more to do with overcritical women and their excessive expectations than it does with unsuitable men.

The most common charge leveled at men is that they don't hold up their end in the home. Men do work, many critics say, but women work too, and also do most of the child-care and housework--the "second shift."

Research contradicts this. Census data show that only 40 percent of married women with children under 18 work full-time, and more than a quarter do not hold a job outside the home. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2004 Time Use Survey, men spend 1 1/2 times as many hours working as women do, and full-time employed men still work significantly more hours than full-time employed women. When work outside the home and inside the home are properly considered, it is clear that men do at least as much as women. A 2002 University of Michigan Institute for Social Research survey found that women do 11 more hours of housework a week than men, but men work at their jobs 14 hours a week more than women. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, men's total time at leisure, sleeping, doing personal-care activities or socializing is a statistically meaningless 1 percent higher than women's. The Families and Work Institute in New York City found that fathers, despite their greater market labor load, provide three-fourths as much child-care as mothers do. And these studies do not account for the fact, strongly supported by federal Department of Labor data, that men's jobs tend to be more dangerous and physically straining than women's.

To what, then, do we attribute women's discontent with marriage and relationships, and the fact that they initiate the vast majority of divorces? A new Woman's Day magazine poll found that 56 percent of married women would not or might not marry their husbands if they could choose again.

Nobody would dispute that, in selecting a mate, women are more discerning than men. This is an evolutionary necessity--a woman must carefully evaluate who is likely to remain loyal to her and protect and provide for her and her children. If a man and a woman go on a blind date and don't hit it off, the man will shrug and say "it went OK." The woman will give five reasons why he's not right for her.

A woman's discerning, critical nature doesn't disappear on her wedding day. Most marital problems and marriage counseling sessions revolve around why the wife is unhappy with her husband, even though they could just as easily be about why the husband is unhappy with the wife. In this common pre-divorce scenario there are only two possibilities--either she's a great wife and he's a lousy husband, or she's far more critical of him than he is of her. Usually it's the latter.

Despite last week's media homilies, it's doubtful that many men or women are truly happy alone. Much of women's cheerful "I don't need a man/I love my cats" reaction has a hollow ring to it, and sounds a lot more like whistling in the dark than a celebration.

Yes, there are some men who make poor mates, but not nearly enough to account for the divorce epidemic and the decline of marriage. While it's easy to blame men, many of the wounds women bear from failed relationships and loneliness are self-inflicted.

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Jeffery M. Leving is a Chicago lawyer and author of "Divorce Wars: A Field Guide to the Winning Tactics, Pre-emptive Strikes, and Top Maneuvers When Divorce Gets Ugly." Glenn Sacks is a columnist on men's and fathers' issues.
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
Interesting piece, Freyd. If you get the chance, pick up a book by Warren Farrell entitled, The Myth of Male Power. Very enlightening. It is amazing how perceptions guide our thinking and how many truths we've been taught to believe aren't necessarily truths at all. You'd think that this group here on PCD would understand that better than anyone!

Here's what I've discovered in 54 years of living:

1. no agenda (outside the kingdom) is healthy for me (even my own)
2. everyone I've met has an agenda (whether they realize it or not)
3. it is not wise to trust someone until you know them first
4. you will never truly know anyone until you know yourself first
5. you will never know yourself until you stop believing what everyone else thinks about you based upon what they think about themselves based upon what they think everyone else thinks about them!

Life is a bit of a "catch-22." It isn't worth it. "Know thyself" will suffice.

With respect to "gender-typing," my own experience lends credence to Mssrs. Leving and Sacks' contention in the article. During the marriage dissolution process some 23 years ago, my (then) wife and I received some questionable counseling from Christian elders. She spoke first and easily named off her mental list of my "errors in judgement" every error in judgement I had ever made whilst in her company. Gosh...there must have been 15 or 20 of them! Such a comprehensive listing was most impressive with names, dates, times, witnesses, and circumstances. I was dumbfounded. I had no such mental list when I was finally asked to speak. I said: "Oh...I thought everything was pretty good." The truth was, we had 15 or 20 "bad experience" days in the short 1500 we were married. Bottom-line, she presented her case "better" because I never saw the necessity of preparing a case. The bottom-bottom-line is that, if you're not very good at "letting go," the cummulative effects of stress will kill your relationships first and, finally, will kill you.

gus
Interesting piece,

I agree Gus, The fact that people cannot seem to let go, to forgive, and in all essence forget, is a plague. One that women seem to deal with more.

So why...can't women seem to let go? Who knows, I don't and I am a women. Besides, there are plenty of men who cannot let go either. One theory is that they never get the resolution they need, an apology. Men may not even recoginze that they have done something that hurts the women, and women feel it is their sufferage to not bring it up, yet they remember and keep a tally.

Well there is my psychology for today. And I have no Idea what I am talkin about.

Lynn
I like your list Gus, mine is shorter.

1) For a woman the only thing worse than being thought of as a sex object is not being thought of as a sex object.

2) Never feel sorry for a woman

3) The only thing I'm good for is making money. :whistle:

4) Higher Co-Education is to blame for everything.
Freyd: Hide your list!

1) For a woman the only thing worse than being thought of as a sex object is not being thought of as a sex object.

Who could have possibly initiated such thing?

2) Never feel sorry for a woman

Right, it would appear that there are already too many men out there that need all the pity they can get!

3) The only thing I'm good for is making money. Whistle


Point 1 & 2 would (almost) support that.

4) Higher Co-Education is to blame for everything.

I have my money (I mean my husband's money) on greed and vanity.

I'm so glad you were only joking bro!

Bruny

gus Wrote:
With respect to "gender-typing," my own experience lends credence to Mssrs. Leving and Sacks' contention in the article.

gus


And my own experience is exactly the opposite.This in turn totally disproves Mssrs. Leving and Sacks theory, (are these guys married btw?).

To distract from his serial adultery, my ex spun a yarn of how horrid I was, which was why he was feeling 'lonely', and was swallowed by a bunch of incompetent elders.

Guess we all have different experiences, that could be used to prove as many theories as there individuals..... with their unique experiences.
(Bit like India having more gods than there are Indians)

I actually think gender-typing is a load of juvenile rot and always avoid these conversations :toiletpaper:.( brain must be only firing on 2 cylinders tonight:confused:).

If gender-typing is true, then I would have to accept that I am actually a man, (who by a wicked quirk of nature also has a high pitched voice and a pair of strange lumps glued to his chest).
I reverse park with ease, map read without turning the map around, know where North is, fitted a kitchen and hang wallpaper.
I hate shopping, I only have one pair of shoes and a pair of flip-flops, and I cannot multi-task. I avoid women who twitter about makeup, fashion, babies, lasts night's soap, and bits of gossip.
If men are from Mars and women from Venus, then I'm from the planet Zog. :alien:

freyd Wrote:
Since women have careers now, we are told, men's traditional contribution--financial support--has become largely irrelevant, and men do not now nor did they ever contribute much more than that.


Traditional contribution. Looking back how far? Before the industrial revolution, we were an agrarian culture. Men, women and children worked hard, but side-by-side, just to exist. The husband knew he could not survive without his wife. The wife knew she could not survive without her husband. And the children contributed in meaningful ways to the survival of the family.

Things didn't get off-center until men left the farms to pursue factory jobs. They then started getting something entirely new called a paycheck. Problems started developing in the family when the husbands tired of sending money home; after all, they earned it, didn't they? And that is when divorce rates started climbing.

The concept of the "traditional male breadwinner" is an anomaly in time.

Justicia

And my own experience is exactly the opposite.This in turn totally disproves Mssrs. Leving and Sacks theory, (are these guys married btw?).

LOL...my own experience "lends credence to...," it didn't prove anything.


However, my "vast" experience with women since the end of my marriage also lends credence to Gen 2:

18 And Jehovah God went on to say: “It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.” (NWT)

There are differences between men and women. Together, they are greater than the sum of their parts.

gus
Very interesing Justica,  you hit it on the head.  this is all new to us as humans,

I will take it one step farther,,  People even in extended family's are breakin up..
we don't seem to need anyone " if we have enough money"
IT also leads to the attitude of not putting up with one another for any reason because we can simply remove ourselves from their midst..

This putting of ourself first above all else seems to be a disease and it is in a full blown outbreak.
There is no sadder sight :cry: than seeing a woman of fifty plus perched on a stool in a singles bar/club night after night. She has the career with big earnings, her children moved out and ....no man in her life as he was given the 'heave-ho' years ago with the 'I don't need you' scenario.

The evening comes to an end and she is left staring down into her glass without even an offer of "Can I give you a lift home?".


Tessa
The Effect of Sexual Deprivation on Women
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
July 07, 2003

http://www.savethemales.ca/000177.html

We live in a culture that doesn't admit that women need sex every bit as much as men, if not more.

Conservatives like to put women on a romantic pedestal. Women are virginal and sexless. Feminists deny women need men for anything.
"Women are made to feel guilty for needing men," my wife said. "We're told we're weak, co-dependent or lacking in self-esteem."
My 15-year-old son has also inculcated this message from TV: "Women don't need sex," he said. "They're just doing men a favor."

Sex and love have become horribly confused. When religion held sway, they were inseparable (i.e. marriage.)
But today "sexual liberation" has freed sex from love. It has taken love's place. Millions of men and women behave like addicts. They use sex to assuage a desperate craving for love that only it can satisfy.

DESPERATELY SEEKING LOVE
An "independent" movie, "The Business of Strangers" explores the effect feminism has had on modern women. Writer/director Patrick Stettner illustrates how American women have traded love for the sterility, banality and inhumanity of corporate culture.

Two women are stranded overnight at an airport hotel while on a sale trip. Stockard Channing plays "Julie Styron," successful divorced 45-ish VP sales whose best friend is her secretary.
Julia Stiles plays Paula Murphy, a tough 25-ish "writer" who works the overhead.
The movie shows how career has supplanted family for women like Styron. Feminism promised that women could have both, but this did not work out.

Forty seven per cent of 40-something women with professional degrees have no children. Only 14% of these women said they didn't want children. ("Creating a Life: Professional Life and the Quest for Children" by Sylvia Ann Hewitt)
Styron is fired without warning. But she is oddly indifferent when she immediately lands an even better job as a CEO.

ODE TO WASTE & FRUSTRATION
In the hotel bar with Styron, Murphy recognizes Nick Harris a slick young corporate head-hunter. He is the man who raped her best friend years ago at a frat party. She lures him to Styron's suite and puts tranquilizers in his drink.
After he passes out, the two women indulge in an orgy of hatred over his unconscious body. They undress him, cover him with obscene graffiti, smear blood and strike him. Both women clearly despise men. Murphy confides it was actually she who suffered the rape.
However, it emerges later that Nick is a rapist in her mind only. Styron learns that he had never been to the city where the rape supposedly took place.

Men are "rapists" because they are not giving women the love they need. The result is self-loathing and resentment against men. Feminism first makes women and men incompatible; then it exploits women's frustration and rage.

"WHAT DOES WOMAN WANT?"

Freud was unable to answer this question despite "thirty years of research into the feminine soul."
Chaucer's "Wife of Bath" knew the answer: Woman wants to be loved. She'll do anything for love, even if it means becoming a feminist.
Many Western women today are dysfunctional because they are getting contradictory messages. Society tells them to be "strong and independent," i.e. successful in a career.

But this behaviour is masculine and makes men feel redundant. Men don't like these women. Thus women are doing what society tells them to do, yet they are not getting the male love they expect and need.
Women are loved when they put their husband and children before themselves. It is feminine to self efface. Men love these women because they become part of them.
I am not against a woman having a career, only putting it before marriage and family.

GETTING DATING STRAIGHT

A single friend characterized a typical date this way. He describes his work and seeks affirmation and respect. She describes her work and seeks affirmation and respect from him. They never see each other again. (They are already competing.)
This is NOT how heterosexuals mate. Women are hypergamous, which means they seek men of higher power and status. Nurses marry doctors.
On a date, a man reveals himself and his vision of life. She decides if she's interested in him or not. If she is, she affirms him by her acceptance and encouragement. In marriage, she demonstrates her love by trusting him to take care of her interests.
He also affirms her by seeking her acceptance. Yes, he also wants her to be capable and successful. But his recognition and nurturing come later.
All successful organizations are hierarchical. The heterosexual family is male dominated. If you wanted to destroy it, you promote equality. Our culture is doing this.

THE FEMINIST TRAP

It is mind-boggling but our politicians, media and educators are deliberately sabotaging society. Feminism like its Communist forebear dogmatically denies human sexual differences, such as the fact that men have 10 times the testosterone levels of women.
There are over 900 Women's Studies Programs in the United States teaching impressionable young women to deny their femininity. According to "Issues in Feminism: An Introduction to Women's Studies" femininity is "patriarchal mind control." The "best slaves are the ones who don't even know they are slaves." Who authorized this indoctrination in lesbian dysfunction?
This vicious state-sponsored hoax is ruining millions of lives. The CIA and the Rockefeller Foundation sponsor it. The superrich use tax-exempt foundations to promote Communism, according to the 1954 Reese Committee Report of the U.S. Congress. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reeceart.htm

Feminism is another manifestation of Communism, which was always sponsored by the international bankers and their corporate allies. Their goal is to transfer all power to a global state, which they control. By harnessing the authoritarian power of the state, Big Brother will serve Big Business.
The stated goal of the Communist Manifesto is to destroy the nuclear family. People without stable families are easy to distract and control. Sex starved, isolated, and dysfunctional, the few children they have are also messed up. Last week, we learned that the U.S. birth rate is at the lowest point in history.

WOMAN THE MULTIPLIER (MAN X WOMAN = CHILDREN)

A woman's elaborate reproductive apparatus has a profound influence on her psyche. Each month she produces an egg and she is devoted to seeing that egg fertilized, giving birth and raising a child.
On the other hand, a woman is the fertile ground for a man's spirit to grow. First she accepts his spirit. Then she accepts his seed, from which a child grows.

Men need to be lovingly received and affirmed. Women need to be possessed and cultivated. This is wholeness. Their child symbolizes it.
When this connection is stymied, we have arrested development. Many women become angry and psychotic like Styron and Murphy. Men have become detached and selfish. Both are obsessed with sex.
The media makes women appear like remote goddesses but they are passionate sexual creatures that need committed love and direction from a man.

In a true marriage, two people become one. Each complements the other. Women's strengths should not be the same as men's and vice versa.

Independence is the big issue in feminist marriages. They are mergers, a pooling of assets to achieve economic and sexual synergies. The two people fail to bond and remain immature. They struggle for power and break up.

CONCLUSION

Heterosexual society has been under sustained psychological attack designed to arrest human development and decrease population. Feminism is the weapon of choice. It encourages women to deny their femininity and act like men.
Feminine women are characterized by selflessness. They are not hunters. They are not killers. They are a little vulnerable in a worldly sense. How do men respond to them? By wanting to nurture and protect them. This is how men love. This is what women want.
In "The Business of Strangers" both women have become hunters. As a result, they hate men but worse they hate themselves. Victims of a diabolical plot, they have mutated. They need a man's love in order to be themselves again.
???????? and then they roll over and die!

What is a woman to do when she has fulfilled all these requirements, managed a company in her own home, given up a career, raised beautiful well adjusted children, but has a (witness) husband who has sex with anything roving around in a skirt, because it makes him feel manly.

Well.........I'm still standing.

I am no man hater and am, as ever, very feminine.
To survive, women are more adaptable than you would think, they have to be.
I am not a mutant and I hope you are not either.

I have an uneasy feeling though, that if I met you, Mark, I might run mile

Justicia Wrote:
Things didn't get off-center until men left the farms to pursue factory jobs. They then started getting something entirely new called a paycheck. Problems started developing in the family when the husbands tired of sending money home; after all, they earned it, didn't they? And that is when divorce rates started climbing.

The concept of the "traditional male breadwinner" is an anomaly in time.


You almost got it right, Justicia. The real problem is when the women started leaving the farms and earning paychecks which they thought belonged to them since they earned it. Back on the farm when chickens laid the eggs and the woman collected them for 10 cents a dozen, like my grandmother, and then sold them in town, the eggs and the money didn't belong to her. It belonged to the farm and it's owner, her husband. Interesting how headship has vanished. Last night at one of our online meetings we were discussing the anointing of the high priests and his sons, the underpriests who wore bonnets to signify that they weren't the high priest along with girdles indicating servitude to the high priest. Interesting we find in the world people doing things that are sort of universal. Women in headcoverings and midrift apparel for example. Reminded me of Pauls words at Rom 2:14-15 :thumbup:

"Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts."

man hu Wrote:
???????? and then they roll over and die!
I'm still standing........
I am no man hater and am, as ever, very feminine.
To survive women are more adaptable than you would think, they have to be. I am not a mutant and I hope you are not either.


You did very good Sr Vicky. You were forced into a situation over which you had no control and came out on top, with providential help. But that's not the way it was supposed to be. :)

What is a woman to do when she has fulfilled all these requirements, managed a company in her own home, given up a career, raised beautiful well adjusted children, but has a (witness) husband who has sex with anything roving around in a skirt, because it makes him feel manly.


Shoot the sob.


Again...if lightning bolts flew from heaven to immediately take away the life of one who had taken the life of another, there would be very little life-taking going on.

But that's not what happens. In anything other than murder itself (and even murderers are allowed to "go on" in some form or fashion), one who steals the essence of life (raper, abuser, adulterer, etc) from another is allowed to continue on, usually to repeat spiritual murder on some other unsuspecting victim. Victims cope in some fashion as well...and (hopefully) learn not to be victims anymore. These former victims are both male and female - and, if they have learned their lesson well, they should smell the victimizer type from a mile away...even though the "abuser mentality" is often difficult to detect...and a professional abuser is a master of disguises. Since such a person can't be shot on site or awarded a mandatory "scarlet letter"...he or she should be exposed and avoided.

gus
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