Remember the expression: 'the fish rots from the head down'? The main reason we have lawlessness, abuse, substance abuse, divorce and juvenile delinquency and other things is because the top structure is corrupt and wrong. When the top gets fixed (as the kingdom of God takes rule) then many, many things will work themselves out. There will be many @ the end of the thousand years that will get thrown in the lake of fire, so evidently many will not want to live up to the standards of Michael and his new kingdom. Some will be 'cursed' and as a man of 100 years will be considered a youth, when cursed as Is. 65 says.
I don't think one will give up their free will at all. But under the living conditions of the new world, eventually there won't be any reason to kill, steal and other things. People will be staisfied. God is opening his hand and satisfying the desire of every living thing.
Because I think the K. of God will reign on the earth in human bodies, (as well as Michael). People will still do things wrong and there may still be prisons and such for quite a while as I think this is all a slow process to reach perfection. This subject reminds me of this:
When a person's brain stem is not sitting on the spine properly due to whiplash or such, then the whole spine twists to support the brain stem the best it can. This can lead to many organ, nerve and back problems. And then if caught at a young enough age, and the cranial is adjusted, then the whole spine twists back in place and all the ailments clear up. This is the way with the K. of God.. to me.
it really amazes me that we have a very similar view on things,
we differ in some key areas but it is not all that important.
the one thing that keeps striking me is that armegedon
15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
1One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."
3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
It seems to me to be a battle for control over the earth, of those who follow the beast and like it this way.
I believe that many will fall but I think the many will be those whom have control over the earth that leaves alot of people that are sinners to be sifted thru.
IS the standing before the throne all at once and instantaneous? I think it is not I think it is the same period as you are refering to here "People will still do things wrong and there may still be prisons and such for quite a while as I think this is all a slow process to reach perfection. This subject reminds me of this:"
I disagree right now that it is MIcheal being Jesus but it is not a big issue. the Key is we will have a Good ruler to enforce righteousness and get rid of the corruption that is so rampant today.
A corrupt Ruler seems to eventually thru apathy even corrupt the good. and or kill them straight away.
So a transformation of mankinds mind, what some here call "groupthink" I believe the bible calls it the sea of mankind
is rough many who are seeking to change have a hard time what about those who haven't given it a thought? the process to me definitely ins't the snap of Jesus fingers and we are all better.
Hi TD.. Thanks for your thoughts..
Yes, the 7 years of Christ's presence are a battle of who will rule the earth.. Satan or Jehovah.. Wild beast and horns or Michael and holy ones.
Oh, why don't you think our lord is Michael.. it seems obvious to me?
A corrupt Ruler seems to eventually thru apathy even corrupt the good. and or kill them straight away
In Rev. 12.. it points out that the political looking red dragon, takes down 1/3 of the stars.. so evidently he doesn't corrupt 1/3 of the holy ones..
No snap of fingers.. but 2 - 3 1/2 years and then 1,000 years for mankind to follow the plan.. right??
Hey Sis,
Just want to share a few scripts which unless they have been tampered with show that Jesus was never an angel
Jude 1:9
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, " The Lord rebuke you!"
1 Peter 1:12
It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things into which angels long to look.
If an angel would like to know what the holy spirit has to say how is it that jesus came to be filled with holy spirit. Can a spirit enter another spirit?
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?And again," I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIMAND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
If an angel would like to know what the holy spirit has to say how is it that jesus came to be filled with holy spirit. Can a spirit enter another spirit?
The spirit of Jesus entered into the fetus, of Jesus.. right? Not sure what you are saying.
Jesus was no longer an angel after his resurrection.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?And again," I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIMAND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
God said this to a human man.. not an angel.. the human man, Jesus of Nazarath..
If an angel would like to know what the holy spirit has to say how is it that jesus came to be filled with holy spirit. Can a spirit enter another spirit?
The spirit of Jesus entered into the fetus, of Jesus.. right? Not sure what you are saying.
Jesus was no longer an angel after his resurrection.
"Excuse my logic, you just said the "angel" spirit of Jesus became a fetus?
If that was the case then how Did that angelic spirit inside the flesh of Jesus become filled with holy spirit? we cannot have multiple spirits inside us can we? at least not any good ones only the parasitic kind seem to do that.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?And again," I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIMAND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
God said this to a human man.. not an angel.. the human man, Jesus of Nazarath..
Again our flesh needs a spirit to opererate does it not? if the spirit of an angel was placed in human form is it not an angel anymore? Did the spirit somehow change?
Also if Jesus follower Jude thought that he was "micheal" then why in Jude does it say that micheal called someone else Lord? When in fact they all realized Jesus was the Lord. Yes I relize that you could say it is God himself, But it seems to me that the spirit imbued into Jesus was in fact the one, the Word of God himself the Logos, If that is the case then did the Logos kick the archangel micheal out of the flesh to inhabit it ? or did they share ?
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Hi TD.. Thanks for your comments..
Again our flesh needs a spirit to opererate does it not? if the spirit of an angel was placed in human form is it not an angel anymore? Did the spirit somehow change?
I see what you are saying. Bear w/ me here.. I'm learning too. I think God, angels or the arch angel, as well as people all have bodies. In these bodies are spirits. Right? These spirits carry something of the person in them, yet are in the body and not the body. This being said, I think the spirit of God is what was transfered from heaven to earth. Not sure about Michael the angel anymore.. I'm reconsidering.. I'm probably wrong.
Also if Jesus follower Jude thought that he was "micheal" then why in Jude does it say that micheal called someone else Lord? When in fact they all realized Jesus was the Lord. Yes I relize that you could say it is God himself, But it seems to me that the spirit imbued into Jesus was in fact the one, the Word of God himself the Logos. If that is the case then did the Logos kick the archangel micheal out of the flesh to inhabit it ? or did they share ?
Okay, yes our bodies need our spirit to operate. Do you think anything besides the holy spirit inhabited the baby Jesus? Or just the holy spirit? Is the HS the logos??? (I'm commenting on the new thread addressing this..) Please read and comment, okay? Like to hear your opinion. In Jude, it still seems like Michael was talking about Jehovah.