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I have been thinking on this due to current events


The first five beast had come and gone by the time this was revealed
Number sixth was rome I imagine

The seventh has to be the ruler of the world after Rome but only for a short while I imagine it to be british/America I am not sure.

Then one of the previous will rise again and become number eight.
“The (AL)ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast (AM)for one hour.
13"These have (AN)one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
14"These will wage (AO)war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will (AP)overcome them, because He is (AQ)Lord of lords and (AR)King of kings, and (AS)those who are with Him are the (AT)called and chosen and faithful."

Now I find I have re-read this and "And (AC)those who dwell on the earth, (AD)whose name has not been written in the book of life (AE)from the foundation of the world, will (AF)wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come."
all from (nasb)

The question is why those who are perishing will wonder when they see the beast get a resurection so to speak? that leads me to conclude that the rest will recognize this beast that is making a come back.

Hi TD... What current events are making you look at this? As you know, I think, that it's all happening.. now.

I agree..

What does the AM and AL etc..stand for?

Rev. 17:11 NWT.. And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven and it goes off into destruction. 12 ANd the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, one hour with the wild beast.

I think the wild beast is a reoccurring political entity that oppresses God's people and corrupts them. Now the last head on the beast with the 10 horns on its head, both seem to rule as kings at the end. The 10 horns, only for 1 hour.

I don't know if this is the scripture that you are thinking of as far as wonderment goes:

Rev. 17:6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. ...I wondered with great wonderment......and so the angel said to me: "Why is it you wondered?

Then the angel explains the mystery of the woman and the wild beast that is carrying her. Ofcourse this is John wondering, not the ones perishing.. Where is your scripture?

This is it, I think:

Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come out of the Abyss and go to his destruction..... the world will be astonished, when they see the beast..

Okay, they are astonished because (I'll guess) because the beast comes back from the abyss and then is destroyed.. The trouble is, it says these ones have the mark of the beast and are I think, feeling the heat of judgement and shame when he is destroyed.

ok to hone this in alittle,

The ten kings are seperate from the beast,
the beast is from 1 of the five previous beasts before rome.

Thoses who folow the beasat may not even realize it. But when they see it rizing up they become astonished maybe? because they see their own reflection?

I believe the scripts say that the beast forces the MARK unto peoples. So those who follow the beast are actually put in place by the beast.

as for the beast a reoccuring political entity. IT has to be an old time world ruler that has re-emerged and the ten kings may see this as a miracle and give there power to it seeing that it is making a come back.

I feel that we are in the middle of this transforming from the 7th to 8th king. I have no proof. But if it is the case we should soon see a world power emerge that is of old.

according to the way it reads to me.

I could be delusional as I am sure I have lost my mind at this point in time.

Peace sis

Hi guys,

The only power I know of that seems like it might make a comeback soon is Germany as a full military power within the European Union. Granted, I get this from the Tomorrow’s World magazine, which never stops talking about Germany and Angela Merkel.

The curious thing about this is that Germany, in its own way, is connected to the Roman Empire through its Holy Roman Empires. The Nazi Third Reich was the third expression of the empire.

The other strange thing about Germany is that some people claim that the Germanic tribes were original descended from Assyria, and they see many similarities between the Teutonic and Assyrian cultures. Imagine a return of the Assyrian Empire!

Regards,
Brendan.

Hey Brother thanks for the info,

as far as it reads to me it def cannot be Rome.
but assyria? who knows sounds possible

Total D..

If the last head rules as king.. wouldn't that be the last world power.. the beastly rule of the US supporting corporations and wallstreet instead of the people
And the horns rules as king for 1 hour... the big banks and corporations? An extension of the beast. All the other heads are world powers, right? ?

actually the last "king" world power seems to come before the beast.
becuase the beast has been changed from his begining from thousands of years ago. as it says he "is one of the seven" the diff seems to be that he gets all others to follow him at the end.
12"The (AL)ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom" "but they receive authority as kings with the beast (AM)for one hour"

Read this
10and they are seven (AI)kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.

11"The beast which (AJ)was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he (AK)goes to destruction.

we have 2 time frames of rule the 7th "a little while" the 8th for one hour..

That is why I am not sure if the seventh king is brit/amer? The eight is definately of old origens. so it cannot be the usa. I am begining to think that when the usa is out of the way it leaves room for this old beast to reign and the other ten kings to give it their power. I presume these other ten are symbolic and maybe literal as well.
"they completely Follow the beast giving it full authority" hence the ten I think.
SO I think the beasts rule is very very short. not even like 100 years I think much less. maybe even that of just 1 generation or less even.
it must come in a time of utter distress and a willingness of the baddy's to follow the beast completely. Remeber those who strive for power are in contention with one another not with any who are Christs. So the world has to be shaken up pretty badly for them to stop the struggle between themselves to follow 1 ruler again.


Side note, I think the corporations and the usa are more like the harlot who sits on many waters. at least that is the way they seem to me. Just an opionion

I now know why I think the usa is more like a harlot on many waters.

This Harlot has been the same way throught all of history.

She is the one that has riden throu time on the back of all the 7 kings. She is the political/religious system in total it seems as Kings have always consorted with the "seers" the "wise men" the "high preist" whatever her manifestation had to be at the time for survival she has done whatever it takes to stay alive thru each kingdom's rise and fall. up till number 7 then number eight seems to have nothing more to do with her.

I liked your perception here. I sometimes feel/see something similiar. It will be wonderful when everything comes in nice and clear. I get excited when I think that one day we may have the opportunity to see it become clear.

With Christian Love, Debbie

I am very unclear sis,

It comes out the way it comes out. I don't really understand much of anything..

But I just see the scriptures different some days then others and these have been in the fore front lately.
I figure someone must have similar or clearer thoughts so I just post it and see..


Peace

I too can't wait for clarity, but alittle is clear for now

I am very clear about the harlot attaching herself to each of the 7 thru history tho.. That is why she is a harlot she moves from lover to lover whomever is the big cheese of the time. The seven hills re not the seven hills of Rome but they are the seven conquerors of the world. the seven hills of Rome may have some meaning but I am sure from the scripts that they are the powers of the world over time.
and each of them has had church/state over lap up till number 8. no more church with that one. she is officially discarded when the beast comes again

Sorry Sis,

I know you have your ideas, and they are similar to what I see, but certain things don't match up like the usa being the final ruler.

this is why "wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come."

So the script say so. he "was" at the time before revalations becuase of "is not" and will come again.
Kings are a reoccuring title yet the "7 world powers/rulers" are not easily interchanged. each world power has it's own amount of kings to govern the world of it's time. So kings belong to the power of the time.
I think that the 8th king /beast seems both heavenly and is a total earthly gov becuase of the 7/10. it will perform signs and wonder and will mislead those who have fallen asleep and not kept and oil for their lamps.

hope that makes sense.

if the clay and iron are possibly the usa/britian and Jesus dashes them to peices this action alone may open up a wedge for the beasty to slip into for a short while. hence the one hour rule.
Peace

Hi TD

Let me ask you a question, TD. If an angel interprets a vision or symbol to us, should we re-interpret the angel's interpretation?

Hi Brother,

Actually if you read the thread fully and slowly as i know I don't write all that well you will see I have reinterpreted nothing. I have stated that I am not sure on much of it but a few bits were very clear.

I am willing to go point by point with you but I had thought I have done that.
I do realize words sometimes don't read the same to us all.

So ask me specifics and I will try to answer you with a pinpoint area in those few scipts. as I only went over one chapter and a handfull of lines within that chapter so I hope I can do it.

And what do you say is pinpointing specifics a reinterpretation?

if it says the harlot sits on seven hills and that those seven hills mean "seven world powers" yet it did not say it in the same place, I feel pretty safe to claim that they were including the following egypt,medo-persha, assyria,greece,rome and I think britian/america that one is not clear as to weather it can be called a world power. I know I may have over lapped or missed some because I don't know much about anything especially history.

I realize this may not fit your revelation thread either. but I am fairly confident i can prove what I say I am sure of and the rest I was unclear. I think that sometimes God allows me to understand things but then again maybe not.