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We shall always be with the Lord.--1 Thessalonians 4:17

This is the context:

For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:15-17.

You can sense how imminent it seemed to Paul. He explains here the circumstances of the out-resurrection - what we call the first resurrection. This implies, of course, there will be another resurrection. Apryl has suggested that there is just one resurrection. If this is the case, then we are talking about the stages involved in that one resurrection. Perhaps this is how it goes:

• The out-resurrection of the saints, both living and dead
• The resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous

Apparently the Thessalonians were very worried for the brothers and sisters among them who had died before the return of Christ. Again, we get that feeling of imminence. One book explains that Paul used the illustration of the conquering general to appease their concern. In those days, the general would pass the graveyards in front of the city gates before he reached the city proper. Jesus, as the conquering leader, would pass the dead first in like fashion, so that ‘we, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep’. Those living at the time of Jesus’ return would join them immediately afterwards, so soon that it would be classed as happening at the same time.

And where would these saints always be with the Lord? That, as they say, is another story...
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Hi Brend..
This (meeting the Lord in the air) is the time @ the 7th trump when the anointed recieve the kingdom and immortality. The thing I was thinking about the resurrection, is that there is the first resurrection, which is the first fruits, as on a tree. And then after Michael/Jesus is revealed to the world. Then in the millenium others will come to fruition as fruits as well, but not a first fruit. Also, I think this is a resurrection of the heart becoming one w/ God and Jesus, rather than a rapture where bodies float up to heaven. I don't think the bodies will suddenly be without any sickness (as in the famous 'perfect' body thing the JW's teach. It seems to me the body becoming without sickness, will be a pleasant outcome in the millenium, but not necessary for a resurrection of the heart. There's a scripture that says: The daystar begins rising in the heart. It doesn't appear that the resurrection of the first fruits has anything to do with the body being resurrected.

We know that the Kingdom will begin ruling in the midst of it's enemies. So things will remain apparently quite unnoticable to the world for a while after this 7th trump blows.

You said:

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Those living at the time of Jesus' return would join them immediately afterwards, so soon that it would classed as happening @ the same time.


Are you sure? It appears that the resurrected 'worthies' are in heaven @ the 5th seal and trump and told to wait a little while longer and are given white robes. Then after the 6th trump, the 7th trump blows.. thus the resurrected of the bride to be on the earth.

New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to meet Christ (as he's present on the earth at this time) as a bride. This is after the 'sea is no more'. So evidently this must be after Satan is abyssed which happens a time after the 7th trump. So the marriage maybe takes place at this time in Rev. 21:3 & 4.

:camp: (we're in the spiritual wilderness)..LOL



Correction... I think you are right, the ancient worthies and the ones on the earth all meet 'together' at the 7th trump.. so they all recieve immortality at the same time, according to 1 Thes. 4:17.:redface:
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