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Some interesting info regarding toxic personality disorders here.

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/414...Narcissism

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
Hi Bangalore,

That was an interesting article. It reminded me immediately of the counsel regularly given in the congregations that we should not question the motives of our brothers and sisters. My only reaction to that advice at the time was that if we were to accept that we were probably living at the lowest point in human imperfection, being 6000 years away from the point of perfection and close to the end of the system, was it likely that people’s motives would tend towards the good or the bad?

This pressure to think positively, rather than objectively, about the toxic behaviour of many people, probably brought more pain and frustration to the victims. “Jehovah will deal with it”, the usual mantra, probably added more grief. This problem was highlighted in the case of paedophilia in the congregations, but the process was far more general than that.

I think that we all exhibit some of the characteristics written about in the article at least some of the time, but what probably marks a person out as having a toxic personality is to have a track record in displaying those tendencies. If they won’t recognise the damage they do, I think we must protect ourselves from them.

Regards,
Brendan.
Well, now I believe I've heard everything, folks!:shocked:

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Choosing healthy foods now called a mental disorder

In its never-ending attempt to fabricate "mental disorders" out of every human activity, the psychiatric industry is now pushing the most ridiculous disease they've invented yet: Healthy eating disorder.

This is no joke: If you focus on eating healthy foods, you're "mentally diseased" and probably need some sort of chemical treatment involving powerful psychotropic drugs. The Guardian newspaper reports, "Fixation with healthy eating can be sign of serious psychological disorder" and goes on to claim this "disease" is called orthorexia nervosa -- which is basically just Latin for "nervous about correct eating."

But they can't just called it "nervous healthy eating disorder" because that doesn't sound like they know what they're talking about. So they translate it into Latin where it sounds smart (even though it isn't). That's where most disease names come from: Doctors just describe the symptoms they see with a name like osteoporosis (which means "bones with holes in them").

Getting back to this fabricated "orthorexia" disease, the Guardian goes on to report, "Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out."

Wait a second. So attempting to avoid chemicals, dairy, soy and sugar now makes you a mental health patient? Yep. According to these experts. If you actually take special care to avoid pesticides, herbicides and genetically modified ingredients like soy and sugar, there's something wrong with you.

But did you notice that eating junk food is assumed to be "normal?" If you eat processed junk foods laced with synthetic chemicals, that's okay with them. The mental patients are the ones who choose organic, natural foods, apparently.

What is "normal" when it comes to foods?

I told you this was coming. Years ago, I warned NaturalNews readers that an attempt might soon be under way to outlaw broccoli because of its anti-cancer phytonutrients. This mental health assault on health-conscious consumers is part of that agenda. It's an effort to marginalize healthy eaters by declaring them to be mentally unstable and therefore justify carting them off to mental institutions where they will be injected with psychiatric drugs and fed institutional food that's all processed, dead and full of toxic chemicals.

The Guardian even goes to the ridiculous extreme of saying, "The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished."

Follow the non-logic on this, if you can: Eating "good" foods will cause malnutrition! Eating bad foods, I suppose, is assumed to provide all the nutrients you need. That's about as crazy a statement on nutrition as I've ever read. No wonder people are so diseased today: The mainstream media is telling them that eating health food is a mental disorder that will cause malnutrition!

Shut up and swallow your Soylent Green

It's just like I reported years ago: You're not supposed to question your food, folks. Sit down, shut up, dig in and chow down. Stop thinking about what you're eating and just do what you're told by the mainstream media and its processed food advertisers. Questioning the health properties of your junk food is a mental disorder, didn't you know? And if you "obsess" over foods (by doing such things as reading the ingredients labels, for example), then you're weird. Maybe even sick.

That's the message they're broadcasting now. Junk food eaters are "normal" and "sane" and "nourished." But health food eaters are diseased, abnormal and malnourished.

But why, you ask, would they attack healthy eaters? People like Dr. Gabriel Cousens can tell you why: Because increased mental and spiritual awareness is only possible while on a diet of living, natural foods.

Eating junk foods keeps you dumbed down and easy to control, you see. It literally messes with your mind, numbing your senses with MSG, aspartame and yeast extract. People who subsist on junk foods are docile and quickly lose the ability to think for themselves. They go along with whatever they're told by the TV or those in apparent positions of authority, never questioning their actions or what's really happening in the world around them.

In contrast to that, people who eat health-enhancing natural foods -- with all the medicinal nutrients still intact -- begin to awaken their minds and spirits. Over time, they begin to question the reality around them and they pursue more enlightened explorations of topics like community, nature, ethics, philosophy and the big picture of things that are happening in the world. They become "aware" and can start to see the very fabric of the Matrix, so to speak.

This, of course, is a huge danger to those who run our consumption-based society because consumption depends on ignorance combined with suggestibility. For people to keep blindly buying foods, medicines, health insurance and consumer goods, they need to have their higher brain functions switched off. Processed junk foods laced with toxic chemicals just happens to achieve that rather nicely. Why do you think dead, processed foods remain the default meals in public schools, hospitals and prisons? It's because dead foods turn off higher levels of awareness and keep people focused on whatever distractions you can feed their brains: Television, violence, fear, sports, sex and so on.

But living as a zombie is, in one way quite "normal" in society today because so many people are doing it. But that doesn't make it normal in my book: The real "normal" is an empowered, healthy, awakened person nourished with living foods and operating as a sovereign citizen in a free world. Eating living foods is like taking the red pill because over time it opens up a whole new perspective on the fabric of reality. It sets you free to think for yourself.

But eating processed junk foods is like taking the blue pill because it keeps you trapped in a fabricated reality where your life experiences are fabricated by consumer product companies who hijack your senses with designer chemicals (like MSG) that fool your brain into thinking you're eating real food.

If you want to be alive, aware and in control of your own life, eat more healthy living foods. But don't expect to be popular with mainstream mental health "experts" or dietitians -- they're all being programmed to consider you to be "crazy" because you don't follow their mainstream diets of dead foods laced with synthetic chemicals.

But you and I know the truth here: We are the normal ones. The junk food eaters are the real mental patients, and the only way to wake them up to the real world is to start feeding them living foods.

Some people are ready to take the red pill, and others aren't. All you can do is show them the door. They must open it themselves.

In the mean time, try to avoid the mental health agents who are trying to label you as having a mental disorder just because you pay attention to what you put in your body. There's nothing wrong with avoiding sugar, soy, MSG, aspartame, HFCS and other toxic chemicals in the food supply. In fact, your very life depends on it.

Oh, and by the way, if you want to join the health experts who keep inventing new fictitious diseases and disorders, check out my popular Disease Mongering Engine web page where you can invent your own new diseases at the click of a button! You'll find it at: http://www.naturalnews.com/disease-...

Sources for this story include:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2...

A person may not agree with all the sentiments in this report but honestly, ya gotta ask: What's next?

BTW, I'm a big fan of Jamie Oliver whose campaign to get junk food out of Britain's school met with such success that he brought the program over to the USA. After watching the movie documentary "Super size me" (real scary, folks!) I realized just how extensive the danger of a continuous diet of fast foods can be.

And, yeah, I'm one of those people suffering (?) from orthorexia nervosa. D'ya suppose they're gonna pack me off and medicate me?:funnyface:

Rez

PS...sorry for the broken or outdated link. (Now I'm off to finish my orthorexic lunch of banana/yogurt smoothie with sprouted salba seeds.)

Good morning dear sis rez:

Praise Jah and Jesus we people!!!

Thank you sis, and bro iso, too! That article reminded me of Jesus and "anxieties", so i went a huntin' for a thread re; "quit being anxious" by bro iso, and came across this from 2007:

"Overcoming Depression"

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...hp?tid=545

Thanx to ALL for food at the proper time!!!:grouphug::heartbeat:

sis
p.s. still looking for my 1st choice:D

Resolute Wrote:
A person may not agree with all the sentiments in this report but honestly, ya gotta ask: What's next?


What about this rare but real psychological phenomenon:

Jerusalem Syndrome

For some who come on a visit to the Holy City, the religious energy is enough to make them recite scriptures on the street or claim to be King David or Jesus.

The phenomenon is known as the Jerusalem Syndrome, though psychiatrists disagree whether it can affect otherwise healthy people, or causes only those predisposed to psychoses to believe they have seen the Messiah.

The police set up a unit in the city -- sacred to Jews, Muslims and Christians -- to deal with the minority of tourists each year who believe they are characters from the Bible, and hospitals have special wards to treat wayward travelers.

During a walking tour of Jerusalem's Old City in 2003, tour operator Avi Green said a 19-year-old American participant saw the stones of the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites, open up and reveal the Messiah. "He had a vision that the stones of the wall opened and the Messiah appeared and spoke to him," Green said. "He became delusional and violent and had to be hospitalized."

Between 30 and 40 tourists each year are admitted to hospital for similar behavior, said Dr. Gregory Katz, head of the emergency unit at Givat Shaul Mental Health Centre. Of those, only a few are diagnosed with "true" Jerusalem Syndrome. "It's extremely rare. It's only Jerusalem Syndrome if the person has had no prior psychiatric problems," Katz said. "It usually occurs on their first trip to the Holy Land. They see a meeting of the real Jerusalem and the Jerusalem from the Bible."

Most patients are middle-aged with strong religious foundations, hailing from small towns in the United States or Scandinavia, Katz said. They are usually on organized tours with religious groups and develop a feeling of ecstasy when they see holy places mentioned in the Bible. "Add jet lag and not sleeping for a few nights, and they begin to identify with biblical characters," Katz said. "You might see them dressed in white and preaching at holy sites. Such behavior can be dangerous."

The same clinical picture always emerges. It begins with general anxiety and nervousness, and then the tourist feels an imperative need to visit the holy places. First, he undertakes a series of purification rituals, like shaving all his body hair, cutting his nails and washing himself over and over before he dons white clothes. Most often, he lifts the white sheets from his hotel room. Then he begins to cry or to sing Biblical or religious songs in a very loud voice. The next step is a procession or march to the holy places, most often from the life of Jesus. It ends with the need to don a toga and deliver a sermon at a holy place. The sermon is usually very confusing and based on a plea to humankind to adopt a more wholesome, moral, simple way of life.

He described a 35-year-old woman from a Christian tour group who, after three or four days without sleep, believed she was the Virgin Mary. The woman walked out of her hotel room dressed in a white sheet and began preaching about not committing sins.

It is reported that Kfar Shaul Mental Health Center in Jerusalem once housed three Virgin Marys at the same time. One day psychiatrist Bar-El performed an experiment in which he put two "Messiahs" in the same room. After an hour, Bar-El told, each said, "I am the real Messiah. He's an imposter." John The Baptist is the most popular Jerusalem syndrome choice for Christian men. Christian women prefer the Virgin Mary.

Bar-El talks about a memorable case which actually led to one of the first instances of collaboration between Palestinian and Israeli police. The Palestinians found a man without clothes, money or ID, and, after interrogation, they figured out he wasn't a security risk. They had no idea what to do with him, so they contacted an Israeli officer. The Israeli asked only one question: "Is the guy really completely nude?" "No," answered the Palestinian, "he's wearing an animal skin." "Oh," said the Israeli, "you've got another John the Baptist." It was the sixth John the Baptist the Israelis had run into.

Katz told the story of a man from the Midwest who was found in the Old City of Jerusalem wearing a white robe and claiming to be the Apostle Paul. He was arrested by police and brought to Kfar Shaul after he tried to force observant Jews and Muslims to follow his ways and beliefs -- an effort that "really caused some disturbances," Katz said.

The episode lasts a few days, after which the person usually does not remember what happened, Katz said.

TOURIST POLICE

In 1986, Victor Wadhawkar helped form the Israeli police tourism unit to deal with foreign travelers. Whenever there was a report of a ranting tourist, his team was sent.

"We dealt with about a dozen delusional tourists a year ... with a spike during Christmas and Passover holidays when more tourists walk around and visit holy places," said Wadhawkar, who retired after working 14 years in the unit.

He told how several years ago, a woman in her 60s went missing during Passover when her tour group visited Jerusalem. Her frantic husband called the police. "We found her the next morning in Bethlehem near (the biblical matriarch) Rachel's tomb. She had walked through the night about nine km by herself," he said. "She told us she didn't remember a thing, only that she had gotten a sign."

Other psychiatrists say Jerusalem Syndrome is not a disorder in itself but a manifestation of other psychoses.

"It's not Jerusalem that made them psychotic. They have previous disturbances and the exhilaration (of Jerusalem) augments their behavior," said Moshe Kalian, District Psychiatrist of Jerusalem. In most cases, the delusional travelers came with a messianic mission in mind and Jerusalem was just a stage to act it out, Kalian said.

In two articles published in mental-health journals, Kalian recounts numerous cases of erratic behavior in pilgrims visiting Jerusalem from as far back as the Middle Ages. In most cases the travelers' delusions began elsewhere. He wrote: "The eccentric conduct and bizarre performance of those colorful yet psychotic visitors become dramatically overt once they reached the Holy City -- a geographical locus containing the 'axis mundi' of their religious beliefs." â– 

Afterthought: What would psychotherapy on a biblical foundation or according to the Christian worldview look like?

Also seen on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkBo55OTko

Resolute Wrote:

How would you deal with a situation like this? Just curious.... :P



Rez,

On a forum like this one I find it is best to follow the golden rule.

Treat everyone the way we ourselves would like to be treated.

If the discussion contains conflict aimed at the person rather than the argument then try and find the actual argument in the discussion and answer only that.

Even if the person is flawed it is only the argument that should be given an answer.

If an injustice is perceived, identify and explain it without condemning the one perpetrating the perceived injustice. After all, it could be a misunderstanding on our own part.

If a poster attacks your own person rather than the argument, recognize that the poster either has no logical response to your argument or misunderstood your post.

If a poster tries to build consensus against your argument with a differing point of view (demagogues) then recognize that the poster has no alternative argument remaining other than to incite some sycophants.

(Reminds me of another forum where the owner maintained his own peanut gallery.)

If none of this works then never let your anger go beyond what Jesus Christ did.

Calling people "offspring of vipers" and throwing over tables and chairs should only be used in extraordinary circumstances.


In Christ

abe

Oh, Abe, I see you're responding to posts that went up 2 years ago. The board was having a particular difficulty with someone who needed psychological help but was in complete denial. That problem no longer exists, thank goodness.

It is beyond the scope of this post to go into any details with you, but we all knew what was happening at the time.

No one should abandon the golden rule. And there will be no "Calling people "offspring of vipers" and throwing over tables and chairs" on the Paradise Cafe. That's not how you treat the mentally ill, is it.

Once and a while, someone who is obviously ill comes to the board and, because of their delusions, causes disruption of the peace and interrupts every thread without really participating. The sad fact is, that we are not equipped to treat such and must find coping strategies in order to keep the rest of us sane. It's not about regular posting methods at all.

And fortunately this is rare.

love,
Rez
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