09-20-2008, 01:02 PM
Just to let you know, Peter, I don't respond to sarcasm or rudeness. If you feel you must use this manner of communication keep in mind that I won't be answering you -- point or no point!
09-20-2008, 01:02 PM
09-20-2008, 01:17 PM
Just found this passage, thought it was appropriate:
2 Timothy 2:23-26
"Furthermore, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they produce fights. But a slave of the Lord does NOT need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, keeping himself RESTRAINED under evil, instructing in mildness those not favorably disposed, as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an acurate knowledge of truth and they may come back to their PROPER SENSES out from under the snare of the Devil, seeing that they have been caught ALIVE by him for THE WILL of that one."
I really appreciate how we are taught to be gentle. We know that we are under holy spirit when we read and teach with mildness- the posts on the board. Can't you hear the love and mildness of some of the posters. Its like a harp playing gentle melodies. My heart cries with joy! Won't the future be wonderful when all of us are able to 'play songs with mildness?' Every now and then I like to get out the electric guitar, too. But is it necessary to play the electric guitar all the time?
What about James 4:17?
"Therefore, if one knows HOW to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for that man."
So, if we know how to speak with mildness and not to be stirring up contentions, would we be under sin if we didn't do so?
With Christian Love, Debbie
2 Timothy 2:23-26
"Furthermore, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they produce fights. But a slave of the Lord does NOT need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, keeping himself RESTRAINED under evil, instructing in mildness those not favorably disposed, as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an acurate knowledge of truth and they may come back to their PROPER SENSES out from under the snare of the Devil, seeing that they have been caught ALIVE by him for THE WILL of that one."
I really appreciate how we are taught to be gentle. We know that we are under holy spirit when we read and teach with mildness- the posts on the board. Can't you hear the love and mildness of some of the posters. Its like a harp playing gentle melodies. My heart cries with joy! Won't the future be wonderful when all of us are able to 'play songs with mildness?' Every now and then I like to get out the electric guitar, too. But is it necessary to play the electric guitar all the time?
What about James 4:17?
"Therefore, if one knows HOW to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for that man."
So, if we know how to speak with mildness and not to be stirring up contentions, would we be under sin if we didn't do so?
With Christian Love, Debbie
09-20-2008, 03:58 PM
Hello my Brothers and Sisters;
I just would like to comment on this topic. The scriptures do say that we are not to judge unless we be judged. But what I have to remember and realize that everyone is imperfect. Everyone is going to do or say something that another person(s) do not like or disagree with. That is going to happen. Jehovah gave us all free-will and to think for ourselves to make the right choices but being imperfect can cause each and every one of us to misuse that free-will. But regardless of being imperfect we have to continue to pray to ask Jehovah for his Holy Spirit and his guidance to help us to not be judgmental. No matter how imperfect each one of us are we are still to love one another as brothers and sisters. We are to take the good with the bad and if someone does something very hurtful and/or deliberate to us then we take that situation and discuss it with the person who has wronged us, not have bickering back and forth because when that is done we are going to say things that we would not usually say and then that adds more fuel to the fire. I know personal that I am imperfect but I do my upmost not to judge someone because I don't agree with their way of things. Why? Because first, Jehovah does not like it, second, because I do not want anyone to judge me. No one knows the other like Jehovah knows us, so let's leave the judging to the one who is to judge and love one another as Jehovah and Jesus loves us and do it without malice.
I just hurts :cry::cry:so much to see so much strife and discord here at the board that when I read the posts it just absolutely makes me :crybaby::crybaby:. I am a very sensitive person and when I read the posts where there the words that are being typed are more than disagreements that is where I feel the hurt the most. I have read where there has been times were because of the arguments (not disagreements) have went on so long and hurtful that there has been ones that left and that is sad. Now, understand that I am not talking about the ones that could not get their way and left because they could not get someone to be on their side or believe in what they believe, I am talking about where it gets to the point that the next thing you feel that you are going to read is name calling. Please, I hope that the love that I seen here and read comes back ten fold. Please, do not let Satan take over this board. Satan is already on a rampage because he knows his time is getting shorter day by day, DON'T LET HIM WIN!!! PUSH HIM AWAY FROM HERE!! I do hope that I did not offend anyone by what I have said here today because that was not my intention. Every word that I spoke here today is out of Christian Love for my Brothers and Sisters here in the forum. I think I have said enough for now. Please all, take care and have a wonderful and blessed weekend.
With Sister Love to you all,
Sister LoveJehovah:heartbeat::heartbeat::hug::hug:
I just would like to comment on this topic. The scriptures do say that we are not to judge unless we be judged. But what I have to remember and realize that everyone is imperfect. Everyone is going to do or say something that another person(s) do not like or disagree with. That is going to happen. Jehovah gave us all free-will and to think for ourselves to make the right choices but being imperfect can cause each and every one of us to misuse that free-will. But regardless of being imperfect we have to continue to pray to ask Jehovah for his Holy Spirit and his guidance to help us to not be judgmental. No matter how imperfect each one of us are we are still to love one another as brothers and sisters. We are to take the good with the bad and if someone does something very hurtful and/or deliberate to us then we take that situation and discuss it with the person who has wronged us, not have bickering back and forth because when that is done we are going to say things that we would not usually say and then that adds more fuel to the fire. I know personal that I am imperfect but I do my upmost not to judge someone because I don't agree with their way of things. Why? Because first, Jehovah does not like it, second, because I do not want anyone to judge me. No one knows the other like Jehovah knows us, so let's leave the judging to the one who is to judge and love one another as Jehovah and Jesus loves us and do it without malice.
I just hurts :cry::cry:so much to see so much strife and discord here at the board that when I read the posts it just absolutely makes me :crybaby::crybaby:. I am a very sensitive person and when I read the posts where there the words that are being typed are more than disagreements that is where I feel the hurt the most. I have read where there has been times were because of the arguments (not disagreements) have went on so long and hurtful that there has been ones that left and that is sad. Now, understand that I am not talking about the ones that could not get their way and left because they could not get someone to be on their side or believe in what they believe, I am talking about where it gets to the point that the next thing you feel that you are going to read is name calling. Please, I hope that the love that I seen here and read comes back ten fold. Please, do not let Satan take over this board. Satan is already on a rampage because he knows his time is getting shorter day by day, DON'T LET HIM WIN!!! PUSH HIM AWAY FROM HERE!! I do hope that I did not offend anyone by what I have said here today because that was not my intention. Every word that I spoke here today is out of Christian Love for my Brothers and Sisters here in the forum. I think I have said enough for now. Please all, take care and have a wonderful and blessed weekend.
With Sister Love to you all,
Sister LoveJehovah:heartbeat::heartbeat::hug::hug:
09-20-2008, 04:05 PM
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smoldering wick Wrote:
I believe that is a delicate question.
freyd wrote:
Of course it's delicate.
That's why there's so much emotional response rather than reason.
Resolute Wrote:
I'm not sure that the emotional response comes from the delicacy of the question as much as from the accusatory opening of this thread.
butxifxnot (Peter)Wrote:
IOW, the problem is with the poster.
Bull. Resolute, I've personally seen you make judgment calls completely clouded by your dislike of the poster in question. I doubt you remember the particular incident I'm talking about, though: you didn't respond to my questioning your judgment.
It would really help if mediators would mediate instead of side with the side that can be equally accusatory, but has more members in it.
I believe that is a delicate question.
freyd wrote:
Of course it's delicate.
That's why there's so much emotional response rather than reason.
Resolute Wrote:
I'm not sure that the emotional response comes from the delicacy of the question as much as from the accusatory opening of this thread.
butxifxnot (Peter)Wrote:
IOW, the problem is with the poster.
Bull. Resolute, I've personally seen you make judgment calls completely clouded by your dislike of the poster in question. I doubt you remember the particular incident I'm talking about, though: you didn't respond to my questioning your judgment.
It would really help if mediators would mediate instead of side with the side that can be equally accusatory, but has more members in it.
I'm putting up this post for the sake of those who may not have any background knowledge about hitomi's own forum. This post by hitomi at her own forum is particularly enlightening as far as explaining the rude and accusatory manner in which she sometimes posts at the Paradise Cafe.
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joyful
Joined: 30 Aug 2007
Posts: 587
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: I know you Reply with quote
Hello, there,
welcome.
Please don't hesitate to question or comment. I will not talk the way I do the other forums. I treat all my members with gentle manner if they are here for sincere convictions and questions.
I hope you read all my announcement including our mission statements.
hitomi
Joined: 30 Aug 2007
Posts: 587
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: I know you Reply with quote
Hello, there,
welcome.
Please don't hesitate to question or comment. I will not talk the way I do the other forums. I treat all my members with gentle manner if they are here for sincere convictions and questions.
I hope you read all my announcement including our mission statements.
hitomi
Here is the link to that post: LINK to hitomi's post on her forum
Because of the fact that hitomi, by her own admission, knows how to treat others in a gentle manner, and yet persists in speaking here in a manner that offends others, there is a very great possibility of a time out. Please be warned.
[edited to remove Peter's name as joint owner of hitomi's board]
09-20-2008, 04:25 PM
Quote:
Please don't hesitate to question or comment. I will not talk the way I do the other forums. I treat all my members with gentle manner if they are here for sincere convictions and questions.
My forum is operated my me and I don't ostrasize anyone like this forum does. I dont get frustrated in my forum hence I don't have to be so defensive like I have to in this forum. Please use commons sense. This is the second time you brought this up. When you are being gang attacked you will be defensive. Defensive talk is not peaceful.
09-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Quote:
I just hurts so much to see so much strife and discord here at the board that when I read the posts it just absolutely makes me. I am a very sensitive person and when I read the posts where there the words that are being typed are more than disagreements that is where I feel the hurt the most. I have read where there has been times were because of the arguments (not disagreements) have went on so long and hurtful that there has been ones that left and that is sad. Now, understand that I am not talking about the ones that could not get their way and left because they could not get someone to be on their side or believe in what they believe, I am talking about where it gets to the point that the next thing you feel that you are going to read is name calling. Please, I hope that the love that I seen here and read comes back ten fold. Please, do not let Satan take over this board. Satan is already on a rampage because he knows his time is getting shorter day by day, DON'T LET HIM WIN!!! PUSH HIM AWAY FROM HERE!! I do hope that I did not offend anyone by what I have said here today because that was not my intention. Every word that I spoke here today is out of Christian Love for my Brothers and Sisters here in the forum. I think I have said enough for now. Please all, take care and have a wonderful and blessed weekend.
With Sister Love to you all,
Sister LoveJehovah
With Sister Love to you all,
Sister LoveJehovah
Thank you sister, for your thoughts! We all hope that things will settle down soon. Nobody likes time-outs or bannings but neither do we like to see members leave the board because a contentious spirit has taken over.
If anyone wishes to report a post that they feel is destructive to the peace of the cafe there is a "report" button at the bottom right-hand side of every post.
Peace to all peace-lovers!:grouphug:
PS...Good post Debbie!:thumbup:
09-20-2008, 04:35 PM
Resolute Wrote:
Just to let you know, Peter, I don't respond to sarcasm or rudeness. If you feel you must use this manner of communication keep in mind that I won't be answering you -- point or no point!
Resolute, today I've posted four times. All four times, you have answered my posts, even though you say "I don't respond to sarcasm or rudeness." The only things you didn't respond to were my actual points.
Am I the only one who sees what this is?
In any event, although I do not take back the content of my posts, I do apologize for calling your statement "Bull." It was completely unnecessary. I will try to tone down my sarcasm in the future. And I do still look forward to a response to my question, "How do you justify your interpretation of Romans 14 in the light of 1 Corinthians 5 and the facts as outlined in my post?"
Quote:
I'm putting up this post for the sake of those who may not have any background knowledge about hitomi's and Peter's own forum.
You speak as if you were an authority, yet you don't know the beginnings of the facts. That is not my forum in the least. It is solely Joyful's.
Quote:
Because of the fact that hitomi, by her own admission, knows how to treat others in a gentle manner, and yet persists in speaking here in a manner that offends others, there is a very great possibility of a time out. Please be warned.
Does this rule apply to everyone on this board, or only Joyful?
Just so we can be clear that this applies to all sides and not just one. :)
09-20-2008, 04:45 PM
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My forum is operated my me and I don't ostrasize anyone like this forum does. I dont get frustrated in my forum hence I don't have to be so defensive like I have to in this forum. Please use commons sense. This is the second time you brought this up. When you are being gang attacked you will be defensive. Defensive talk is not peaceful.
Anyone taking a look at your forum, hitomi, could see at a glance why you don't get frustrated. Maybe you need to hang out there where you find peace. I have no idea why you seem to choose to get off on the wrong foot here from time to time. But that is why I suggested that you take a break.
If you and Peter don't take a voluntary break I may have to close this thread until we get this resolved. You are shooting yourselves in the foot.
PS...Peter...I will edit my post to reflect that you are not a joint owner of Joyful's forum.