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Peter

It was this section.

Thanks :)

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Thank technology for scroll-wheels!:thumbsup:

I was going to post a while ago but then I noticed that Hitomi seemed to be closing out this thread...so I thought it best not to add fuel to the contention.

However!

I'm addressing this to you, Hitomi...

Your biggest friend and supporter on this board, Joe(Artcritic) had this to say to you:

...Seems like you just didn't get what he was trying to say to you...

I was glad that you saw fit to apologize for the title of this thread but perhaps you also owe BB a public apology for targeting him with your assumptions. He doesn't need this during his time of grief.

[bye the way, Bethel Boy, I am so sorry for your loss. Please add me to your list of friends who will be praying that our loving God will comfort you!]

Hitomi...I'm reproducing your partial apology here:

I have checked with admin about this thread and I'm asking for readers and posters to express whether they think this thread should be locked.

Hitomi...I suggest that you go and dig in your garden, take a warm bath and get some rest....something is out of kilter here. If you want to talk about whether or not Christians should join/approve, etc., the military then start a new thread in the controversy room. Please do not war with your mouth at a member of this discussion board.

Take care,
Rez:hug:

Bro, you have zeal and intelligence. You have a long way to go. You don't have to find out the groups that would be damned. you said that we all are one of the reasons for your mom's stress. Have you found out why.

I know she has been in lot of situations where she couldn't control the outcome. Circumstances are beyond us.The only thing we can control is us and our standards. It gives a certain sense of peace when it's about our acceptance with God... Here is an area that I can control. Here are a set of rules that I believe will lead me to salvation, make me desirable to God and I will follow those. I will control my actions based on this. It works!

But expanding that to get the whole world is tough. The world will not take that as a reference point. Looking at the world with the mental calcultaion of who or which group is desirable to God is a great burden. How God deals with each individual is his business. Just like He calls us by names, He is not interested much in these kind of labels. Rahabh, Esther, Naaman, David .... all were different. They were accepted.

May it be noted that I am a Christian who has neither ''supported or joined the cause.'' Therefore this discussion feels talked to death to me Res.... :love: as you asked :love:

Deborah, don't we all?????? :dontknow:

I don't think that Christians approving and joining the military has been talked enough. I have been attending forums and they all gang up on me and always find excuses to ban me and they do (some have banned me because I'm anti-military).

I am sorry rez. My faith doesn't work like your way. I do anything to defend Jesus' teachings. I don't think I did anything wrong with what I did. I am sorry you guys don't approve of my methods to communicate. I dont sugarcoate nor make vague expressions. I hope you dont try to control my methods. Wasn't the control issue the big thing in JW that you did not like?

I will make apologies to BB but I could not use PM to inform him about what I was going to do. Do you know that you are not letting me use PM function?

Here will do just fine. After all...you used his name publicly. A little humble pie won't kill you.

Yes.

BB,

I am sorry about this thread title, I apologize. Like I already told you, I am not allowed to use the PM function and this is the only way to get your attention to start the thread. It worked out fine because there seems to be many military suppoters in this board, surprizingly.

hitomi

Dear Peter,

I don't think any of us support the cause, at least I don't. I am just supporting the fact that individuals who are part of the military may possibly be still be considered acceptable to our Father. The perfect example is Cornelius.
All forms of government institutions are in direct opposition to our Heavenly Father. The military isn't anymore of an abhorance than the school system that perverts evolution/creation, safe sex, or Santa Claus and baby Jesus. How about corporate America? Money over family values. The media, they're wicked, too. How about salespeople, some of them have slick tendencies. Throw them in the pit, too.
All churches have faulty doctorines and teachings. Some churches believe that war is holy. I will agree that the wars of the final days would defininately be holy. All things brought to their rightful finish.
The military is just one product of this wicked world.
With all this talk of loving our enemy, I think that would also mean that we should love the military personnel with a Christlike attitude. All things in their place as Jehovah has given authority. And no, I do not feel that means that we should run out join, just be open minded enough to embrace the individuals.

With Christian Love, Debbie

Me either. I do not support nor otherwise appove of military action - at all, in any way, shape or form whatsoever, period. I've said it many times, but now, if that's clear enough - you can quote me. :) It's not, imho, for a Christian - the main point(I believe) that I agreed with early-on in this discussion...

IF I knew anyone in the service I would witness to them about it and show them what the Bible and Jesus say about it - but I don't know a single person engaged in the military.

Peter - I really like you. Hope to get some imput from you in other areas on the forum - you're a smart cookie and you love yo' Mama - all good!

Peace to us all :grouphug:
Willa
:peace:

I think we understand Joyfull's stand on the military.
It's not a black and white issue however.
Isn't the military just an international police force?

Peter said, "Neither me nor Joyful are talking about nonbelievers in the military, nor the existence of the militarise. We are talking about Christians supporting/joining the cause. "

What should be a Christians attitude be toward our police force?
Should we support them in any way? Society expects them to use deadly force if necessary to protect citizens. IMO, we can't seperate the police from the military. Is it unChristian to support the police, even by just being thankful they are there? :detective:
I think it's a personal matter.:happyheart:

Is Bro Donkey a real name or not?

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore

Hi imagine,

The military is world affair, They fight against other whole nation. My family would not engage in any kind of violent matters including our occupation. In Japan, they used to carry arround stick in case crimial is violent; they never used anything deadly weapon, even the police. I haven't seen any police carrying gun in Okinawa even now.

My protest is that we should do our best to honor Jesus, not looking like hypocritical religious maniacs. Most non-religious people think religious pleople are just bunch of hypocrits killing each other in the name of God.

Excellent exmple is Muslim country and USA are at war in the name of God. USA force is mandatory to pray to God on a daily bases at war, at the same time, they are killing their enemy. The whole world knows that US presidents are claiming to be christians. This kind of clear hypocrisy should be protested and make it clear that Jesus has nothing to do with involving killing.

The military is disgracing Jesus and misrepresenting Him. Shame on you pro-mlitary "christians".

h

Hitomi, who here is promoting today's military conflicts? We all hate wars and bloodshed and do not condone it, especially when today's armies are nothing more than pawns in the hands of the world's ruling elite. Many of us try to expose the REAL reasons for the world wars and other conflicts of the 20th century, and why the US attacked Afhanistan and Iraq, with Iran next in the bull's eye. None of it has to do with bringing freedom to those nations. It's all about money and power, oil and heroin.

What can people here on this forum do to change how human lives are being used to serve the ends of Satan's minions presently in control without God's intervention, besides openly condemning participation in warfare?

:heartbeat:
Jesh